And Nothing Less: Episode 4

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From New Mexico to New York, there were women separated by language, culture, religion, and citizenship, but united by a desire for equality. Pictured with this episode: Mabel Lee was Chinese immigrant and figure in the New York Suffrage scene; she was also the first Chinese woman to receive her PhD.

Hosts: Rosario Dawson and Retta


  • Cathleen Cahill is Associate Professor of History at Penn State University and author of Recasting the Vote: How Women of Color Transformed the Suffrage Movement
  • Sally Roesch Wagner, founder and director of the Matilda Joslyn Gage Foundation in Fayetteville, New York

Listener Companion from the National Park Service

Find out more about the people, places, and stories from Episode Four.


  • Mabel Ping-Hua Lee, Library of Congress

    Dr. Mabel Ping-Hua Lee

    Dr. Mabel Lee advocated for women's suffrage for years, even though as a Chinese immigrant, she was unable to vote.

  • Portrait of Matilda Joslyn Gage, engraving by John Chester Buttre. Library of Congress

    Matilda Joslyn Gage

    Matilda Joslyn Gage was a pioneering suffragist, abolitionist, and Native American rights advocate.

  • Elizabeth Cady Stanton

    Elizabeth Cady Stanton

    One of the driving forces behind the First Women's Rights Convention in 1848

  • Nina Otero-Warren. Collections Library of Congress

    Adelina "Nina" Otero-Warren

    Nina Otero-Warren was a suffragist, author, business woman, and homesteader.

  • Zitkala-Sa, Smithsonian Institution


    Zitkala-Ša was a writer, political activist, teacher, intellectual, and musician. She fought for Native American suffrage.

  • Anna Howard Shaw. Library of Congress

    Rev. Dr. Anna Howard Shaw

    Rev. Dr. Anna Howard Shaw was an activist, physician, clergy, and President of the National American Women's Suffrage Association.



About the Podcast

And Nothing Less was envisioned by WSCC Executive Director Anna Laymon, with support from Communications Director Kelsey Millay. Executive Producer: Genevieve Sponsler. Producer and Audio Engineer: Samantha Gattsek. Writer and Producer: Robin Linn. Original Music: Erica Huang. Additional Support: Ray Pang, Jocelyn Gonzales, Jason Saldanha, John Barth. Marketing Support: Ma’ayan Plaut, Dave Cotrone, Anissa Pierre. Booker: Amy Walsh. Logo: Stephanie Marsellos.

Special thanks to Sandra Lopez-Monsalve for gathering sound at the Mabel Lee Post Office.

Original Airdate: August 26, 2020

Last updated: August 26, 2020


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