And Nothing Less: Episode 3

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This is more than a story about women’s rights. It’s a story about civil rights. And women like Ida B. Wells and Mary Church Terrell, our pictured suffragist this week, understood that the suffrage fight was as much about race as it was gender.

Hosts: Rosario Dawson and Retta


  • Michelle Duster, great-granddaughter of Ida B. Wells. Educator and public speaker.
  • Martha Jones, professor of history at Johns Hopkins University and the author of Vanguard: How Black Women Broke Barriers, Won the Vote, and Insisted on Equality for All
  • Lisa Tetrault, Associate Professor of History at Carnegie Mellon University and author of The Myth of Seneca Falls: Memory and the Women's Suffrage Movement, 1848-1898
  • Alison Parker, Professor of History, University of Delaware and author of Unceasing Militant: The Life of Mary Church Terrell
  • Marjorie Spruill, Professor Emeritus at the University of South Carolina and editor of One Woman, One Vote: Rediscovering the Woman Suffrage Movement
  • Cathleen Cahill is Associate Professor of History at Penn State University and author of Recasting the Vote: How Women of Color Transformed the Suffrage Movement
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Find out more about the people, places, and stories from Episode Three.


  • Mary Church Terrell. Collections of Library of Congress
    Mary Church Terrell

    Mary Church Terrell was a suffragist, activist, businesswoman, and educator.

  • Ida B. Wells-Barnett. Public Domain.
    Ida B. Wells-Barnett

    Ida B. Wells-Barnett was an anti-lynching advocate, author, suffragist, founder of the Alpha Suffrage Club in Chicago.

  • Cover of the Woman's Era, newspaper of the club, May 1, 1894.
    The Woman's Era Club

    Meet the Black women who founded and ran the Boston-based Woman's Era Club, one of many African American organizations working for suffrage.

  • Frederick Douglass by Samuel_J_Miller, 1847-52 Art Institute of Chicago
    Frederick Douglass

    Frederick Douglass, formerly enslaved, was an abolitionist, suffragist, publisher, and author.

  • Portrait of Susan B. Anthony, c. 1855. Public Domain
    Susan B. Anthony

    Susan B. Anthony was a suffragist, abolitionist, and activist for women's rights.

  • Alice Paul toasting the passage of the 19th Amendment. Library of Congress
    Dr. Alice Paul

    Alice Paul was a suffragist and activist for women's rights.





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Dr. Martha Jones explains that Black women's work for political power pre-dates 1848 and continued well after 1920. (Open captioned)

About the Podcast

And Nothing Less was envisioned by WSCC Executive Director Anna Laymon, with support from Communications Director Kelsey Millay. Executive Producer: Genevieve Sponsler. Producer and Audio Engineer: Samantha Gattsek. Writer and Producer: Robin Linn. Original Music: Erica Huang. Additional Support: Ray Pang, Jocelyn Gonzales, Jason Saldanha, John Barth. Marketing Support: Ma’ayan Plaut, Dave Cotrone, Anissa Pierre. Booker: Amy Walsh. Logo: Stephanie Marsellos.

Original Airdate: August 19, 2020

Last updated: August 19, 2020


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