And Nothing Less: Episode 2

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Susan B. Anthony invented women’s suffrage, right? At least that feels like we were taught in school. The truth is much more complicated: Native American women had rights long before white settlers arrived. And, during the suffrage movement, Anthony actually faced a rival organization run by Lucy Stone (our suffragist pictured with this week’s episode), with different priorities about how suffragists and abolitionists should work together.

Hosts: Rosario Dawson and Retta


  • Sally Roesch Wagner, Executive Director of the Matilda Joslyn Gage Center for Social Justice Dialogue and author of The Women's Suffrage Movement and Sisters in Spirit: Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) Influence on Early American Feminists
  • Martha Jones, professor of history at Johns Hopkins University and the author of Vanguard: How Black Women Broke Barriers, Won the Vote, and Insisted on Equality for All
  • Lisa Tetrault, Associate Professor of History at Carnegie Mellon University and author of The Myth of Seneca Falls: Memory and the Women's Suffrage Movement, 1848-1898
  • Andrea DeKoter, Acting Superintendent of Women's Rights National Historical Park

Listener Companion from the National Park Service

Find out more about the people, places, and stories from Episode Two.


  • Elizabeth Cady Stanton

    Elizabeth Cady Stanton

    One of the driving forces behind the First Women's Rights Convention in 1848

  • Portrait of Susan B. Anthony, c. 1855. Public Domain

    Susan B. Anthony

    Susan B. Anthony was a suffragist, abolitionist, and activist for women's rights.

  • Portrait of Lucretia Mott by Joseph Kype 1842. Collections of the National Portrait Gallery

    Lucretia Mott

    Lucretia Mott was a women's rights activist, suffragist, and abolitionist and helped plan the 1848 Women's Rights Convention at Seneca Falls

  • Frederick Douglass by Samuel_J_Miller, 1847-52 Art Institute of Chicago

    Frederick Douglass

    Frederick Douglass, formerly enslaved, was an abolitionist, suffragist, publisher, and author.

  • portrait of Lucy Stone from the Library of Congress

    Lucy Stone

    Lucy Stone worked to end slavery and argue for the rights of women. She founded the American Woman Suffrage Association.

  • Portrait of Matilda Joslyn Gage, engraving by John Chester Buttre. Library of Congress

    Matilda Joslyn Gage

    Matilda Joslyn Gage was a pioneering suffragist, abolitionist, and Native American rights advocate.




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Rosario Dawson and Dr. Lisa Tetrault discuss the impact of the 19th Amendment. (Open captioned).

About the Podcast

And Nothing Less was envisioned by WSCC Executive Director Anna Laymon, with support from Communications Director Kelsey Millay. Executive Producer: Genevieve Sponsler. Producer and Audio Engineer: Samantha Gattsek. Writer and Producer: Robin Linn. Original Music: Erica Huang. Additional Support: Ray Pang, Jocelyn Gonzales, Jason Saldanha, John Barth. Marketing Support: Ma’ayan Plaut, Dave Cotrone, Anissa Pierre. Booker: Amy Walsh. Logo: Stephanie Marsellos.

Original Airdate: August 12, 2020

Last updated: August 18, 2020


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