Advisory Commission Meeting: April 7, 2025

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3 hours 12 minutes

Zoom recording of the April 7, 2025 Cape Cod National Seashore Federal Advisory Committee Meeting.

 

CAPE COD NATIONAL SEASHORE ADVISORY COMMISSION THREE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH MEETING

Held at Cape Cod National Seashore, Salt Pond Visitor Center, Eastham, Massachusetts, on Monday, April 7, 2025, commencing at 1 pm

SITTING:

Richard Delaney, Chair

Heather McElroy, alternate

Barnstable County

Sheila Lyons

Mark R. Forest – absent

Chatham

Thomas Dougherty - virtual

Theodore Keon, alternate

Eastham

David Crary

Joanna Stevens, alternate

Orleans

Lawrence Spaulding

John “Charlie” Carlson, alternate - virtual

Provincetown

Mary-Jo Avellar - absent

Leslie Sandberg, alternate – absent

Truro

Susan Areson – virtual

Michael Fee, alternate

Wellfleet

Lilli-Ann Green

Wayne Clough, alternate – virtual

Commonwealth of MA

Leslie Ann Jonas - absent

Mark Robinson - virtual

Also present:

Jennifer S. Flynn, Superintendent

Leslie Reynolds, Deputy Superintendent

Sarah Korjeff - Cape Cod Commission

Adam Baghetti, IT Specialist

Cheryl Johnson, Executive Assistant

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Rich welcomed the commission

Agenda certified

Minutes – robust discussion on certification of January minutes; editing process, approval process, meeting minutes are a ‘summary’ versus verbatim document; were approved as written pending further discussion

Lilli – objected to January meeting minutes being certified

Superintendent’s report – see full transcript

· Park staffing – hiring seasonal positions, scheduled/funded 110 employees

· Beginning of March

· Probationary employee return to work

· Permanent hiring freeze (safety related only)

· Full year continuing resolution

· Marconi Stairs project status

· Multi model path cable road project status

NEW

· SPVC repaving, Doane Rock picnic, Nauset Rd.

· Complete Fort Hill prescribed burn

· Johnson golf @ Highland Light Golf Course

· Restrooms coming online; staggered openings

· Shorebirds are back; fencing being placed

· Veterans fire crew – mechanical clearing along fire roads

· Secure funding Bartlett house – removal

QUESTIONS

Short discussion on how Marconi stairs are being replaced/built – inhouse.

Multiuse path – won’t be done prior to sign; design phase only

OLD BUSINESS

ADU SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT OUT (See separate minutes at bottom of page)

Heather reported on subcommittee discussion. How many lots exist by town – look at slide provided (parcels that HAVE single home current or potential home) primary dwelling must be present in order for ADU to be allowed

Potential – needs to be in a single-family zoning district; must have single family home existing, can be built within a structure OR accessory structure

Constraints – town has the option to limit short-term rentals; septic provisions must be looked at with individual lots; does not allow towns to have owner occupancy requirement.

Members reported on effects in their town; Michael reported fewer potential parcels than indicated on the slide based on conversations w/staff.

Subcommittee agreed that more work needs to be done. Potential and expectation would likely permit requests for ADUs.

Potential for change could be significant!

Can’t rely on minimum lot size, ADU law doesn’t specify; setbacks not addressed;

ADU regs state; should not conflict with any Federal Law.

Michal noted that there might be some room for combined perspective and help.

MICHAEL – Truro perspective different from towns because 70% land mass w/in Truro in the Seashore; has lowest median income on Cape – resulted allowing ADUs as a right w/in Seashore. Interpretation of Federal Law that Superintendent disagrees with. Govt would allow ADU with character of neighborhood and all other septic. 900s.f. LIMIT; owned by same person; prohibit short-term rental (form the basis for compromise) meet town’s needs and gov’t needs to maintain character. Still working on letter to summarize. No more than 50 lots would support criteria under their Truro. Only two applications for ADUs were submitted in Truro in past two years.

LILLI ANN - not an in-depth analysis yet on setbacks and septic yet. 254 properties from town planner - more than Cape Cod Commission indicated. Doesn’t know answer yet.

HEATHER – State regulations can override what Towns decide.

SUSAN - meeting minimum lot size; (3 acres) if State regs supersede Town regs than ¾ acre in Truro if Affordable Homes Act overrides local zoning, then the potential number will increase

SHEILA - how can State law override Federal law?

LARRY – existing dwelling in the seashore; can expand up to certain amount of s.f. ; adding on to structure if they meet seashore requirements then, can they do it?

All predicated on enabling legislations single dwelling if it’s a duplex.

HEATHER: Creating another entrance w/in existing structure would be allowed under AHA that is why the Commission’s numbers are higher than local towns ( can have an ADU in every single dwelling in the CCNS) implications on traffic, water use, wastewater, etc.

RICH – ADU mandate overrules CCNS rules, it will have serious impact on CCNS – ask Legislators to consider amendment that excludes CCNS from the legislation; happy to hear Lieutenant Governor has same thoughts.

Can we appeal to them and make it clear? Secretary of Energy and Environment protected because of fragile part of peninsula w/out CCNS resource we have; benefit of tourism; look at future as well as present. What can we solve? What can’t we solve? Immediate need;

LILLI-ANN – Should subcommittee meet again with a State representative. Ed Augustus is head of Housing and Development with the State. Michael Dutton County Administrator – looking into sending a letter; Rich says that an amendment is in the works for CCNS.

MICHAEL – respectfully agrees and disagrees with Sheila. Truro already has a bylaw which it will implement and will work out issues with CCNS as necessary. Landscape character not to create a museum impact of people living within seashore, has to be a flexible reaction on part of governing the housing worthwhile to pursue. If commission decides to pursue something contrary, the Truro will abstain.

SUSAN - will not sign letter to object; Seasonal Communities Act will allow even more leeway for providing affordable homes. Communities are being asked to accept the rules, but towns are being asked to approve them. Lots of questions for State. If the State exempts the seashore in all towns from the ADU aspect in the Affordable Homes Act. Return home rule to towns within the Seashore district?

LILLI-ANN – Wellfleet has a special permit, is that acceptable to the park going forward? Remove the State mandate.

DAVID – slightly fewer properties (park owns 8) seasonal community designation adds tiny homes until wheels removed requirement in district F. Needs to consult with, and recalls Attorney Zehnder indicating at previous meeting, the way to deal with it is to have Federal Law clarify what development in the seashore MEANS. Federal legislation would put matter to rest. (beyond 1959 mandate)

In Eastham you can build after consulting and rules are further covered by appeal process; most of appeals are granted.

MARK ROBINSON – Larry talking about 50% expansion could accommodate enlarging house for single family is different from expanding for another family. Concern for any town that CCNS is a platform to provide expansion of population, put houses in the non-CCNS areas of town. No amenities available. Leave Seashore out of it. Won’t solve it there. Against increasing density in the Seashore.

LARRY – Jen get opinion. That could solve it.

ADUs are inconsistent with civil law. Penalty is that no CSC will be issued. Penalty doesn’t affect the towns. To be a shared responsibility. Definition is a SINGLE DWELLING WITH ACCESSORY DWELLINGS. What are the towns willing to do to protect Seashore?

What are the next steps for Subcommittee?

How do town help protect/preservation of the seashore.

JENNIFER FLYNN – Cape Cod character… see full transcript.

SARAH KORJEFF, Cape Cod Commission …. See full transcript

The phenomenon of incremental change, death by a thousand cuts.

MARK: Building character is a combination of character and beauty. Does seashore have scenic views inventoried?

Discussion on character. Sarah’s comments on ADUs, can imagine that historic buildings can be sensitively expanded, I see that small scale outbuilding is possible but ADUs would have to meet her previous comments. Intent of use is another question. Limitations in scale and location, size, distinctive building materials, . Historic properties in the seashore

acknowledging properties in CCNS have already met 50% increase in floor area. If ADUs are considered keep them w/in current property outline. (not added bldg.)

Well defined limits Metropolitan Area Planning.

One protected ADU in the Act.

Requirements on materials and dimensions. Towns may need to do more to guarantee we get what we want.

RICH asks for recommendations

How do we help Superintendent maintain character of CCNS?

LILLI ANN suggests bringing back this topic at a future meeting. Bring in all other elements

LARRY agrees with Lilli more discussion is needed. He brought set of Orleans design guidelines.

RICH - Presentation for members to discuss how they are maintaining character of their towns within boundary and outside boundary of CCNS.

Wellfleet and Truro have the most skin in the game. Truro 178, Wellfleet XXX, Eastham 88

Best practices and lessons learned from each member would be great discussion.

AGREED.

Delve deeper into town’s mission to keep character for June meeting.

Move back into other topics already discussed: Water, Fire, Zoning, Climate

Rules of Order

Meeting attendance – last bullet revise that the member even if virtual should be the main point of contact; agenda – add bullet emergency topic; consensus body so Chair hasn’t dictated what we do, and member and alternate roles 1st bullet Alternate comments allowed time permitting; last bullet member comments should not be limited 5 minutes

LARRY – public comment – comments are restricted to matters under the charge of the advisory commission. Wants to remove it.

JEN – help group understand the narrow focus of the Advisory Commission under the Department of Secretary’s charge outside the direction.

RICH – public free reign to matters related to CCNS.

MICHAEL – can there be a parameter to restrict comments that are germane to the CCNS.

LILLI – opposes limiting public comments to areas germane to the Commission.

DAVID – renumber the Rules of Order: wanted to add more time by member vote; then leave it up to the chair

LARRY – give discretion to Chair to decide whether or not on additional time, and have votes if necessary

LILLI ANN – disagreed with Rich being in charge of granting additional speaking time (prefers commission vote)

SHEILA – if the comments are compelling and additional time is needed to finish point, Chair will certainly allow members to vote

LILLI ANN when member is virtual, the member is the primary speaker for the town

RICH agrees

LILLI – Alternate comments allowed time permitting

MICHAEL - any corrections or edits are provided that are of a corrective or substantive nature.

RICH minutes will be distributed. ARE there any changes…. Yes, they can be amended.

JEN - keeping the last bullet as is

RICH – did LILLI want to revise minutes

LILLI – preferred not to revisit the meeting minutes

PUBLIC COMMENT

Heather Doyle – Wellfleet resident – addressed stop the bleed and call boxes

Josh Yeston – Wellfleet resident – spoke on Cape Cod Character and not restricting creative building opportunities in the future.

RICH – emerging issues identified by commission – June 16th meeting 2025 on past topics revisit for updates; further discussion on Cape Cod character will be included

SHEILA – if member has an item to be added to agenda send to Rich

JEN – Federal Register notice has been submitted for meetings; seeking Chair and Alternate Federal Register Notice to be published also. Almost every town nomination has been received.

SHEILA – motion to adjourn

MICHAEL – Second

These minutes will be certified by the Commission at the next meeting (pending Federal Register Notice) for June 16, 2025

 

Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) Subcommittee

 

Last updated: June 4, 2025

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