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Ray Stewart
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Speaker 1: 00:02 Testing, testing one, two.
Speaker 1: 00:03 This is a visit September 4th, 1977, with Ray Stewart on Alcatraz Island. Ray, you lived out here from what years?
Ray Stewart: 00:12 1930 to 34.
Speaker 1: 00:15 34, Your dad, what was his official title out here?
Ray Stewart: 00:19 He was Commander of the prison. I think they call it Executive Officer, the island.
Ray Stewart: 00:25 He ran the prison as far as the inmates and all of the activities and administration aspect of the prison.
Ray Stewart: 00:35 Whereas there was another officer that was commander of the whole island, and the military that were all here.
Speaker 1: 00:45 Officially he wasn't the man in charge, but he was actually the one that did all the running of the island?
Ray Stewart: 00:50 Yeah, he was in charge of the prison, well the discipline aspect of it, and getting them on and off of here.
Speaker 1: 01:03 We're just right here by what we knew as a military chapel.
Speaker 1: 01:07 Do you remember, did you folks attend services out here on the weekend? Were your folks religious at all?
Ray Stewart: 01:15 Not too much here, no, mostly over in San Francisco. I do remember a commissary.
Speaker 1: 01:18 Does this look familiar?
Ray Stewart: 01:20 There was a little store and then there was a bowling alley. I guess that's up ahead.
Speaker 1: 01:26 Yeah, the recreation. What about this? It's what we knew was the old rifle range right next to the chapel.
Speaker 1: 01:31 Do you remember that being used as anything?
Ray Stewart: 01:34 I don't remember that, no. I don't remember as much about that.
Ray Stewart: 01:39 I do remember they had a bus on the island and making this turn here, they always had the back up. They couldn't make the big turn.
Speaker 1: 01:49 Couldn't make the first turn by the recreation hall?
Ray Stewart: 01:52 Yeah. I don't remember much about this.
Speaker 1: 01:59 The military prisoners actually made some of the furniture for the soldiers on the island?
Ray Stewart: 02:03 Yeah, they did some of that.
Speaker 1: 02:04 They were billeted here?
Ray Stewart: 02:05 They had a regular woodworking shop back in the back there. They did the laundry I guess as well.
Speaker 1: 02:11 The military did the laundry?
Ray Stewart: 02:14 For everybody.
Speaker 1: 02:15 The military soldiers here? For all the military?
Ray Stewart: 02:16 The prisoners.
Speaker 1: 02:17 Yeah.
Ray Stewart: 02:17 They ran a laundry here for all of the military around the area.
Speaker 1: 02:24 Army, Navy? All of the various services?
Ray Stewart: 02:26 Yeah, and I think they kept that up later.
Speaker 1: 02:28 Yeah, that was probably the biggest industry that the bureau of prisons got going to in the thirties and forties.
Speaker 1: 02:33 Kind of hard when you think of all the fresh water they had to use. Do you remember how the water was brought over here when you were living here?
Ray Stewart: 02:41 It was barged over.
Speaker 1: 02:42 Barged over?
Ray Stewart: 02:42 No, I don't remember this. I don't recall the boats or anything.
Speaker 1: 02:46 No stories associated with that, that you remember?
Ray Stewart: 02:49 No, but I can remember jumping on that boat, making it by a split second for school. Just like we made it coming over here today.
Speaker 1: 02:56 A close one, huh? You mentioned a bowling alley?
Ray Stewart: 03:01 This is where they had the bowling alley.
Speaker 1: 03:05 Yeah, we've seen pictures of it. It was a two lane bowling alley down on the bottom.
Ray Stewart: 03:10 And the barber shop.
Speaker 1: 03:11 The barber shop for families and the soldiers that lived out here?
Ray Stewart: 03:14 Yeah.
Speaker 1: 03:17 You mentioned your brother had a birthday party out here once?
Ray Stewart: 03:19 Yeah, they had a prison orchestra. Of course, in those days the prisons were a little different than later.
Ray Stewart: 03:25 A big party, lots of dancing. I think the kids really like that. Come out on the boat, go to a party here and then go back on the boat. [inaudible 00:03:36]
Speaker 1: 03:38 Right, pier four there. What age was your brother then? Do you remember?
Ray Stewart: 03:41 About 14.
Speaker 1: 03:42 14.
Ray Stewart: 03:45 He was a little older than I am.
Speaker 1: 03:47 Were you restricted at all in the areas of the island that you could or could not go to?
Ray Stewart: 03:53 We couldn't wander through the prison as well, but I did manage to get in there a lot with my dad. It was no big deal.
Ray Stewart: 04:02 As I say, even on an escape they sound the horn. We didn't all run into our houses and hide. We actually managed to get free run of the place even then.
Speaker 1: 04:19 Even when they had an escape in progress?
Ray Stewart: 04:23 Right.
Speaker 1: 04:23 There wasn't anything other than the prison itself technically that you were not allowed to go?
Speaker 1: 04:26 Like over here by the power plant, or out by the industries?
Ray Stewart: 04:31 No, that was all. I don't ever remember going into the prison yard. Well, that part.
Ray Stewart: 04:40 We pretty much stayed away from there. All of this, we could. It seemed to me this was the laundry.
Speaker 1: 04:49 Yeah, I think the old laundry is just beyond the power plants.
Ray Stewart: 04:51 In fact, I remember one of those prisoners that escaped was hiding in the laundry.
Ray Stewart: 04:57 We went by looking around, and we wandered right by where he was hiding and didn't even know it until later.
Speaker 1: 05:04 You were how old then and you were searching for?
Ray Stewart: 05:06 Six.
Speaker 1: 05:06 Six? And you and your friends were going out looking for the escaped prisoners?
Ray Stewart: 05:10 Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: 05:12 Did you have much contact with the prisoners? In other words, would you see them working on the dock or over here in the power plant and be able to talk to them?
Speaker 1: 05:20 Or were you pretty much told to stay away from them completely?
Ray Stewart: 05:24 I didn't have much contact with them except the ones that were working in the house.
Ray Stewart: 05:28 We had two of them in the house one time during the day and evening. They were trustees. Actually, that was most of it.
Speaker 1: 05:42 Was there a restriction when it was operating as a military prison for boats coming around?
Ray Stewart: 05:47 You bet.
Speaker 1: 05:47 What was it? Do you remember the limit?
Ray Stewart: 05:49 200 yards or something like that. Maybe more. They really went after them too.
Speaker 1: 05:53 I know they had a guard towers during the civilian prison days. Did they also have guard towers for the military?
Ray Stewart: 06:03 Only up around that yard I think. I don't remember, not these big ones down by the water.
Speaker 1: 06:09 Do you remember what kind of warnings or anything they'd give the ships that came to close?
Ray Stewart: 06:18 They'd have somebody on a loudspeaker.
Speaker 1: 06:21 Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 06:21 Go out there and yell them off. I don't know, it seemed to me that it was not beyond their possibility of firing something at them. [inaudible 00:06:39]
Speaker 1: 06:38 More like kind of a warning shot across the bow? Don't go?
Ray Stewart: 06:41 Across the bow, right.
Speaker 1: 06:42 Yeah. You mentioned an old laundry, could that have been just leaving the power plant? We know there was a building right in here.
Ray Stewart: 06:51 The laundry was right in here somewhere.
Speaker 1: 06:52 What would that be? Southeast of the model shop on the corner?
Ray Stewart: 07:01 That was the model shop, right.
Ray Stewart: 07:01 Yeah, I remember the laundry in here. I guess later they had the [inaudible 00:07:04].
Speaker 3: 07:03 What did they do in the model shop?
Speaker 1: 07:07 My understanding was it was various industries for the ... During the military days we're not real sure.
Speaker 1: 07:14 Ray, do you know what they did? What the industries were during the military days?
Ray Stewart: 07:19 Well, it was a lot of things for the self-sufficiency of the place. I know they went over to Angel Island, which has suddenly disappeared on us.
Speaker 1: 07:27 Right.
Ray Stewart: 07:27 They had a garden over there.
Speaker 1: 07:30 A lot of your fresh vegetables came from Angel Island?
Ray Stewart: 07:35 Yeah, my parents got a bed set. I have it myself right now. Four posters that were made right here.
Speaker 1: 07:43 Wow.
Ray Stewart: 07:44 I got it with the house.
Speaker 1: 07:45 I like to come over. That'd be neat to come over and photograph it, just to show what type of work that was.
Ray Stewart: 07:50 Sure.
Speaker 1: 07:54 All the laundry that was all done for the families as well was done on the island?
Ray Stewart: 07:58 Yeah, this was a big operation there. I think they probably made furniture for some of the other military areas, clubs and whatnot.
Ray Stewart: 08:14 There were about 600 prisoners. It's hard to believe, the Army had a hundred thousand men in the Army in those days.
Speaker 1: 08:18 Uh-huh (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 08:22 They had three big military prisons, each was about 600 prisoners. That's a pretty high percentage.
Speaker 1: 08:28 I don't know how anybody figures out the percentage.
Ray Stewart: 08:29 A lot of them were in for desertion and [inaudible 00:08:34].
Speaker 1: 08:36 Do you remember your dad's referring to the prisoners or anything? Saying they were all people to be avoided?
Speaker 1: 08:42 Or a lot of them just weren't that bad or anything? Did you ever get any feeling from him about what types of prisoners there were out here?
Ray Stewart: 08:56 No, except I think he made a point of keeping us kind of away from it. Except for the fellas in the house.
Ray Stewart: 09:06 They turned over quite a bit. Some of them weren't suited. I think they had to be watched quite a bit, because they were just being tried out as trustees after several years locked up. I have two brothers and no sisters.
Speaker 1: 09:25 What kind of work did they do for you in the house? Just normal orderly, cook?
Ray Stewart: 09:32 One was a cook and one was kind of a house boy.
Speaker 1: 09:32 Housekeeper?
Ray Stewart: 09:37 Pass man we called them.
Speaker 1: 09:37 What did they call them?
Ray Stewart: 09:37 Pass man.
Speaker 1: 09:38 I haven't heard that term before.
Ray Stewart: 09:42 I just thought of it. I remember one night I was out in the kitchen, and the cook and the other guy got mad at each other and started up a fight.
Ray Stewart: 09:55 The cook took the bread knife and threw right at him. I was just walking into the kitchen and saw this. I saw it go right into the wall.
Speaker 1: 10:01 Oh no! Did they remain trustees?
Ray Stewart: 10:07 No. They would sit around a lot. I think those prisoners, of course they were close to getting out and that's why they got those jobs. I remember we were very often in communication and cahoots against my dad.
Ray Stewart: 10:25 We'd be out in the kitchen horsing around with them. They'd start to play some kind of game or kid around.
Speaker 1: 10:32 Lets go around.
Ray Stewart: 10:35 Then all of a sudden my dad would walk in, and they'd have to shape up. We'd sometimes warn them when to be careful about it.
Speaker 1: 10:44 How many kids were there on the island when you were here? A number of them were your age so you had playmates?
Ray Stewart: 10:49 Yeah, there were I'd say about 40-50 all together of all ages.
Speaker 1: 11:01 Do you remember approximately how many families there were out here? It's quite a few, that's quite a few kids isn't it?
Ray Stewart: 11:07 25 families.
Speaker 1: 11:11 Turn left in here, Pat. It comes in and goes back out.
Speaker 1: 11:22 That power plant then wasn't here when you were living on the island? They had an older one? Is it the same place?
Ray Stewart: 11:28 It might have been in the same place, but I know that was not anything that elaborate.
Speaker 1: 11:33 I think we can get through here. This is what we call a snitch box down here at the bottom of the recreation yard.
Speaker 3: 11:40 You call it the what?
Speaker 1: 11:41 Snitch box. They used to have a metal detector in here.
Speaker 3: 11:44 A metal detector?
Speaker 1: 11:45 Yeah, similar to the kind on the airlines just to check for metal going back and forth to the workshop area.
Speaker 3: 11:57 Oh they did?
Ray Stewart: 11:57 They used to do that to visitors to the island too, I remember that.
Speaker 1: 11:57 They had metal detectors then when you were here?
Ray Stewart: 11:59 At the dock. No, that was later not during-
Speaker 1: 12:03 Not during your days.
Ray Stewart: 12:03 In the Army days.
Speaker 1: 12:06 Was that the only dock when you were here Ray? Just the one that the boat landed on now?
Ray Stewart: 12:10 Yes.
Speaker 1: 12:11 No supply docks of any other kind that you knew of?
Ray Stewart: 12:13 The steamer would come from Angel Island over here, and then the [inaudible 00:12:21]
Ray Stewart: 12:20 We'd take the boat to school. Most of the kids went to grad school out in Broadway. Pacific Highway.
Speaker 1: 12:26 Oh yeah. They had elementary and then what? Marina Junior High? Or was it going then?
Ray Stewart: 12:31 Grant went to eighth grade and then [inaudible 00:12:33]
Speaker 1: 12:32 Oh, it did?
Ray Stewart: 12:32 That's where my brother went.
Speaker 1: 12:39 Did that make him somewhat of a celebrity then? Being from Alcatraz? Or where there so many of you kids that it didn't-
Ray Stewart: 12:44 There were a lot, and Alcatraz wasn't as glorious.
Speaker 1: 12:51 Yeah. That's quite a view looking at the fog through the Golden Gate. You never made it into the recreation yard then?
Ray Stewart: 12:56 Well, I did once in a while but never really got anywhere.
Speaker 3: 13:03 What sports did they play here?
Speaker 1: 13:04 What was it like when you came in? You said you came in at times with your dad, I guess?
Speaker 1: 13:09 Were you able never come in here and walk around unescorted?
Ray Stewart: 13:13 No, I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 1: 13:14 They had pretty good security then, even?
Ray Stewart: 13:15 I was over here once in 1958 with him when Warden Madigan was here.
Speaker 3: 13:17 This one's made up.
Speaker 1: 13:17 Yeah, this one is made up like the military.
Ray Stewart: 13:27 We knew him, and we went over to the house, and they brought us here. My dad and I.
Speaker 1: 13:33 Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 13:35 He made sure he brought us in while they were all eating dinner. We came in here and looked around a little bit.
Ray Stewart: 13:42 I could tell he didn't want to do that when they were back in their cells.
Speaker 1: 13:45 Definitely, yeah.
Speaker 1: 13:50 When you came in with your dad, you would just walk through with him or something?
Ray Stewart: 13:54 Yeah, on that trip.
Speaker 1: 14:00 I mean when you were here living. What occasions would you get into the cell house?
Ray Stewart: 14:11 Only just to take a look. I don't remember having any tour through this at all while I was living here.
Speaker 1: 14:12 You said you didn't get in here much, but you got upstairs to see the movies?
Ray Stewart: 14:22 Yeah, the movies and sort of a library. It seemed to me it was up in the front of the building here.
Speaker 1: 14:28 Up the stairs?
Ray Stewart: 14:28 Yeah, up facing the lighthouse.
Speaker 1: 14:32 You said those were the same movies that the prisoners saw?
Ray Stewart: 14:36 Yeah, they had their section, and the other people had I think up in the balcony.
Speaker 1: 14:41 You would see it at the same time then that the prisoners were in there.
Ray Stewart: 14:44 Yeah.
Speaker 1: 14:45 The kids will get to come in or the families, it wasn't a separate showing, right?
Ray Stewart: 14:48 Right. In fact, I remember one night I crawled in behind the screen to see what the movie was on the other side with all the prisoners.
Speaker 1: 15:00 Kids will be kids.
Ray Stewart: 15:00 Kids will be kids.
Speaker 1: 15:00 Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 15:01 Here with a bunch of criminals and things.
Speaker 1: 15:04 You mentioned the prize fights?
Ray Stewart: 15:10 Yeah, every month or so they'd have fights. Other military people usually.
Ray Stewart: 15:15 They'd come over here and then other people would come. It wasn't just the prisoners, but it was mostly attended by prisoners.
Speaker 1: 15:24 It was prisoners who were fighting other prisoners? Just military fighting military?
Ray Stewart: 15:26 No. It might have been some. It was mostly people from other military groups. Maybe some of the soldiers.
Ray Stewart: 15:26 It seemed to me there were about a hundred or so military soldiers. They were working as guards. They all went and guarded by the dock.
Speaker 1: 15:45 Right by the dock?
Ray Stewart: 15:46 Yeah.
Speaker 1: 15:49 You got to see the fights?
Ray Stewart: 15:51 Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 1: 15:54 Yeah?
Ray Stewart: 15:55 Sat there and watched. We mixed that [inaudible 00:15:56].
Speaker 1: 16:00 Mm-hmm (affirmative). Do you know if a military prisoner got sick or anything, did they try to take care of him here?
Speaker 1: 16:03 Or would they go over to [inaudible 00:16:04]?
Ray Stewart: 16:04 They took care of them here unless it was serious.
Speaker 1: 16:04 Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 16:04 Apparently there was one or two full-time doctors here then.
Speaker 1: 16:04 Lived on the island?
Ray Stewart: 16:04 Yeah, lived here.
Speaker 1: 16:24 Any stories at all with this area? Do you know kind of little anecdotes you remember about from any of the shell house?
Ray Stewart: 16:43 I can't recall except that time I came with my dad and Warden Madigan.
Speaker 1: 16:44 That was when did you say? 1958?
Ray Stewart: 16:45 58. Right into the entrance when the prisoners were all eating their dinner, looked around. It was pretty quiet here.
Ray Stewart: 16:47 This is the visiting [inaudible 00:16:58].
Speaker 1: 16:58 Yeah.
Ray Stewart: 17:03 I had the feeling just by them that the future of the prison was being questioned.
Speaker 1: 17:03 As early as 1958?
Ray Stewart: 17:21 Yeah, whether they should keep it going with the cost of it. I had the feeling when I was here in '58.
Ray Stewart: 17:24 The prisoners, things were quieting down obviously from the earlier days. The prisoners gave me the impression they were much more in command of this place than you might imagine.
Ray Stewart: 17:37 The guards, they had the freedom to come and go as far as the island, but I just had the feeling that there was a lot of pressure among the guards at that point about being here. It was not a desirable thing anymore.
Ray Stewart: 18:05 The prisoners were the stronger of the lot. That was the impression I got just listening. Instead of talking to them, just listening to the guards and the future of the place and all that. They felt very depressed.
Ray Stewart: 18:28 The world had changed a lot by then I suppose than when this place was opened up and turned over. They had a very low key attitude as opposed to I'm sure 20 years earlier when there was a lot going on with Billy clubs. I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 1: 18:49 Was it a desirable place do you think during the military days for an officer, or a soldier to be out here? Do you know? Do you have a feeling for that?
Ray Stewart: 18:57 Well, I think for the officers it was because the way of life was pretty good.
Ray Stewart: 19:02 You had a lot of free help, and socially a lot of people wanted to come over here to visit.
Speaker 1: 19:11 To live?
Ray Stewart: 19:11 Visit.
Speaker 1: 19:12 To visit? Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 19:13 It was something different. My mother had a lot of parties. They'd have entertainers here.
Ray Stewart: 19:24 The prisoners would line up at the house after. Of course, they had no choice when the boat left.
Speaker 1: 19:28 Who was in the throw the party that night then huh?
Ray Stewart: 19:28 Well it would get down around the [inaudible 00:19:29] I think they really did enjoy it.
Speaker 1: 19:36 What were the parties then? You say entertainment for the prisoners? Did they entertain them up here in the prison?
Ray Stewart: 19:43 Yeah, or in that room.
Speaker 1: 19:44 In the room upstairs? Yeah, it would have been there.
Ray Stewart: 19:46 Yeah, they'd have somebody on their night off from the city come over here and put on a show. A lot of vodka in those days.
Speaker 1: 19:54 Yeah.
Ray Stewart: 19:58 They were a lot of fun. I remember at home I'd sit at the head of the stairs and look down to see who was there and watch the party.
Speaker 1: 20:04 Yeah.
Ray Stewart: 20:04 For the staff and the families for the movies. We'd sit in this area.
Speaker 1: 20:15 This sloped ramp?
Ray Stewart: 20:16 Then the prisoners were all in here, and the movie screen was right there.
Speaker 1: 20:21 That's interesting they would let both you and the prisoners in at the same time. It shows quite a different type of prison, doesn't it?
Ray Stewart: 20:29 Yeah, it wasn't maximum security.
Speaker 1: 20:32 No, did they ever have any live entertainment up here?
Ray Stewart: 20:35 Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: 20:36 This is the place where they did it? Did you ever get in to see that as well? Or was it just them?
Ray Stewart: 20:40 Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: 20:41 You would see that as well as the movies?
Ray Stewart: 20:45 Yeah. Of course, I was pretty young. I didn't get to see the real good stuff.
Speaker 3: 20:53 What was the range of the type of crimes they were in here for?
Speaker 1: 20:53 Do you remember where your Dad's office was in the building right here?
Ray Stewart: 20:57 Let's see if I can pick it out here.
Speaker 1: 21:08 Do you remember any of these? What the other ones may have been?
Ray Stewart: 21:10 What?
Speaker 1: 21:11 What these other ones might've been that weren't where your dad was?
Ray Stewart: 21:27 There was kind of a general clerical office in here.
Speaker 1: 21:27 I think this is the Commanders office, or is it Commandant of the ward?
Ray Stewart: 21:29 Yeah. It was sort of in that office area. I remember, no he was a different one. I think he was in [inaudible 00:21:51].
Speaker 1: 21:51 The first room to the east of the main entrance?
Ray Stewart: 21:53 Yeah. I think there's a wall here they kep the tobacco in.
Speaker 1: 21:53 Oh, for the prisoners?
Ray Stewart: 21:53 Yeah. If nobody messed up all week, they'd give them tobacco rations Friday night.
Ray Stewart: 21:54 This is where he kept it stored. If somebody cut up, then nobody got it.
Speaker 1: 22:14 If one prisoner made a mistake, then nobody got any tobacco?
Ray Stewart: 22:19 Yeah, depending on the general [inaudible 00:22:23]
Speaker 1: 22:26 Yeah. What about an armory for weapons for the soldiers who were the guards?
Speaker 1: 22:32 Do you remember if they had any of that? Or did you ever know where that might've been?
Ray Stewart: 22:37 I don't remember, but I would've guessed it would have been down by the dock, or somewhere down there not in here. I don't recall.
Speaker 1: 22:46 Tennis courts down here in the [inaudible 00:22:48] room. Yeah, the old military. It's a big concrete walk, sidewalk or grounds.
Ray Stewart: 23:05 There was a tennis court in there.
Speaker 1: 23:05 Uh-huh (affirmative). Who lived in the other part of the duplex here? Do you remember?
Ray Stewart: 23:09 I don't remember. It might have been a doctor.
Speaker 1: 23:09 Uh-huh (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 23:16 I can't recall.
Speaker 1: 23:17 What's the egg yolk story?
Ray Stewart: 23:18 She didn't like wild eggs much and especially the yolk. In the dining room there was a window.
Ray Stewart: 23:32 One day I was out there playing around in the bushes outside the dining room window. I came across this terrible smell. I looked around and I discovered about 10 decayed egg yolks.
Speaker 1: 23:38 Oh no!
Ray Stewart: 23:38 I think she threw them out the window.
Speaker 1: 23:38 Go down around the house.
Ray Stewart: 23:51 It was really very nice down here. Then I'd go over to the [inaudible 00:23:57] and walk.
Ray Stewart: 24:03 I remember I used to bring the papers over in the morning. I'd meet the guy with the newspapers. The Chronicle.
Speaker 1: 24:03 Uh-huh (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 24:09 I'd walk around while I delivered the papers all over the island.
Ray Stewart: 24:11 This was like at seven in the morning. There was about four little houses along here with some kids.
Speaker 1: 24:11 On the east side.
Ray Stewart: 24:22 We used to play. We had this big place to play right in our backyard. We could do anything out here.
Ray Stewart: 24:23 There's a tennis court. I really never identified much with what we went through up there except the movies.
Speaker 1: 24:43 Yeah, all the fun things.
Ray Stewart: 24:44 That's why [inaudible 00:25:02]. Of course, we saw the guards walking around sticks [inaudible 00:25:03]
Speaker 1: 25:01 Uh-huh (affirmative).
Ray Stewart: 25:12 [inaudible 00:25:12].
Speaker 1: 25:12 It's a pretty large building, building 64.
Ray Stewart: 25:13 I think this is where my mother would have the parties. Not up in that other place, but it was somewhere either in this building or next door. Some big room down there.
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Interview with Ray Stewart who was the son of the Executive Officer of Alcatraz military prison, discusses living on Alcatraz Island from 1930 to 1934
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