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Session Title: Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission Meeting
Date: 04-08-24

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>> We're going to call to order 30309 meeting to order.  Hopefully I'll project best as I can.  I'm Richard Delaney, I have the honor of being appointed by Secretary of Department of the Interior, Ed Colin to be the Chair of this organization.  And we will do further introductions around the room for rest of the member in just a minute.  But I do want to reflect on the moment.  Last time we gathered, which was September 24, 2018.  It was five and a half years ago?  Some of us were at the table then, we unfortunately lost couple of folks.  But we are thrilled to be back.  But that long hiatus was finally solved by terrific political leadership.  And I just want to start right here and thank few of our people who made this legislation get through all levels of governance.  Senator Markey and he hopes to be here but he's in session.  So I want to acknowledge his terrific work.  Congressman Bill Keating was working on the house side to get authorization language through.  And Bill is also in session, but he has a representative, he has a tape recording, a video, and if all of the technology goes correctly, Chris Mathews was on the spring virtually will relay a short message from Bill.  Chris, if you are hearing me and can do that technology, go ahead.
>> All right, just a second.
>> Almost.
>> Good afternoon, and it really is a pleasure to be here finally.  The word finally isn't lost by any of you.  Finally, to have the opportunity to have the Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission back in effect and working on behalf of all of us.  Since 2016 at a time when administration frankly that didn't understand the need for cooperative government at all levels taking into consideration of local government in particular.  But here we are.  And we're starting a new -- we're working together to deal with probably one of the greatest treasure in our country, Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission something that millions of people flock to every year and something important to our own communities.  This is a vision of John F. Kennedy, and I think a vision we're all stewards of today.  And challenges are different at that time.  Effect of climate change, sea-level rising and coastal resiliency issues.  The great success of the National Seashore because of influx of people and numbers that we deal with at our small communities for tourism and recreation.  All those things present new challenges.  And I believe that the National Seashore Commission is just a model of how we should conduct government.  I can't think of many other instances where the cooperation of the federal, state, and local level has been greatest in the history of this commission.  We've looked at problems before they manifested themselves and deal with them.  We've been able to deal with present problems sensitively to the benefit of the millions of people that come here, but also to the host communities that are the site of this treasure.  John F. Kennedy had this vision.  (Lost audio).
>> Looks like there was only a few seconds left.
>> Sorry about that.  He ends with thank God we're back together.  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Thank you.  Let's give our thanks to our Congressman.  Also, not only do we have that great support on the national and federal level, but here at homeland and state level, I know Senator Julian Sear is here to join us today.  If you could offer couple of thoughts?
>> Good afternoon.  Thank you, Rich, and superintendent and all of you.  This is a long space since 2018 when, well, there was a real attempt at the national level to really work with local voices in our national parks.  And what makes the Cape Cod National Seashore so remarkable is not just the truly unique national environment that we are stewards of here, but people who make a life here, and who are also stewards of this place.  So having this advisory commission council back in action is great.  I see a lot of friends and fellow public servants here on the outer lower cape.  I really want to thank Superintendent Jonathan Flynn in brief successful tenure has been a breath of fresh air.  We've already teamed up on number of issues from airports, to getting access to telephone poles, to potential lots of land in various towns we're working on, and really it's been a real home coming and for her to talk about that, but it's great to have, not only superintendent, but all the people who work on our park, right?  Who are also here in our community.  So I just want to make sure that I popped in and just said congratulations and how excited we are to have this opportunity.  Hopefully, your agenda will go swiftly and catch the activities that are outside.  [Laughter] but we will continue both myself and representative Sarah Peek, it's an honor to represent this gem, these communities.  I really think back to how when National Park Service was first, this idea was first put out there.  It wasn't actually popular.  There was actually a lot of opposition in our communities to this, and I think we really should reflect on the wisdom of those who went forward and make sure we steward this special place.  Maybe we need to think about some of the challenges we face today, and housing, and the opposition we're hearing.  And we're going to need to kind of do that work in partnership with the park to make sure however long we get to be on this fragile Peninsula, couple of hundred years, maybe a thousand or two, unless we have the sage triggered, that we should really cherish this place.  And thank you for all your service and tremendous team.  We will try to be partners however way we can, and Congress Keating, [Indistinct] and commission from the day it was threatened and part of administration and we would not be here without their persistent effort.  We're only a handful, small handful of park services that have a group like this meeting.  That is not by accident.  That's because of the hard persistent work by Congressman Keating, Senator Warner and Senator Markey.
>> Thank you.
>> You are correct.  We're one of the first and longest-running, notwithstanding the hiatus we had for 5 years, but whole Advisory Committee and the park service.  So it's a record to be proud of.  In addition to our current leadership, I just want to ask people to remember we had a long lineage of important political leaders.  And Bill del hand was absolutely crucial during those days in his chief-of-staff and long time teammate, Rec forest and Bill worked endlessly with Cape Cod issues.  And I just want to stress a minute of silence in Bill's contribution.  (Moment of silence) okay.  Thank you.  Moving on.  We have an agenda in front of you.  And I hope that it is appropriate.  We can amend it as necessary.  But let's start by asking one of our members to move the adoption of the agenda.
>> So moved.
>> Thank you.
>> Second.
>> All in favor.
>> AI.
>> Those opposed.  Good.  We have an agenda.  And it calls for an introduction.  I mentioned my role, I'm Richard Delaney.  I'm the current leader, President and CEO of the center for coastal studies, my day job.  But this is a very important assignment I'm happy to be part of as well.  And I've been representing the governor or Secretary for quite a few years since the organization.  I'm happy to be back.  So could we go around the room and introduce ourselves?  And I'll go to the alternate.
>> Retired attorney.  [Away from mic] .
>> Sue Anderson, I'm on the select board.
>> Thomas H. Dougherty, I'm currently working in the aerospace.
>> Sheila alliance.  Commissioner.  David W. Crary, Jr.  I worked there for forever and until couple of years ago.
>> A Veteran.  I'm going to wait for Jennifer to introduce herself fully.  Let's start with two members on the board.  Lily Ann green is on the screen.
>> Thank you.  Lily Ann green.  Can you hear me okay?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.  Thank you.  And I've lived in this area for many years.  And worked with Richard Delaney the very first time I came down to work in the '70s.  It's great to sit at the table hopefully, remotely with all of you.  And retired now, consultant, and still active as an assembly delegate representing.
>> I believe Leslie Jonas is on as well.
>> Good afternoon.  Leslie Jonas.  Tribal member and also at the research from Falmouth.
>> Thank you, Leslie.  Welcome.  And also each of us as you know maybe each delegate or member has an alternate and known by the town and held by the state and county.  So can we go around the room and do a quick introduction of alternates?  Mark.
>> I'm Mark and I'm here as alternate.  I used to come to these meetings representing Congress Bill and prior to that, Congressman [Indistinct] and I worked on the town province town in the manager's office.  So I've been coming to these meetings for almost 4 years, and I've seen tremendous diversity and manage of the challenges.  And it's great to see the group altogether.
>> Great.  Craig.  Glad you're still here.
>> [Away from mic]
>> Great.  Keep you busy.  Ted.
>> Ted, I live in or leans, but I'm a costal resource director.
>> Great.  Thank you.  Heather.
>> Heather McElroy.  Resource manager at Cape Cod and alternate to the Chair.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.  I'm Charlie Carlson, and full-time in New Orleans since 2016 but moved down here since 1993.  So very involved inland conservation initiatives in New Orleans and different types.  And glad to be partners.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Great.  My neighbor.  Ann Leslie.
>> I'm Leslie Sanders [Away from mic] .
>> And do we have any alternates on the screen?  I don't believe so.  Okay.  Great.  Then thank you for the introductions.  It's great to be back.  And I'm going to ask superintendent Flynn to take some time to introduce herself, because she's coming back to Cape Cod.  We all talked about our deep roots and long history, well, she has some as well.
>> Great.  Thank you.  Before I start talking about my background, I just want to do quick housekeeping things for the teams meeting.  And then introduce my support staff as well, the folks who have been supporting the commission behind-the-scenes.  So because it matters, top of the ramp, please take a right.  There's more outside.  Importantly, the fire exit is actually right here.  So if something were to happen, just go right out the door and immediately left takes you right outside.  If you're watching from the auditorium, there's two exits in there as well, one by the screen, and if you go back out into the hallway at the end of the hallway, this will also push you right outside.  If you didn't sign in when you got here, if you can do so before you leave.  It is the requirement of federal advisory commission act that we take attendance.  As a reminder, this meeting is recorded.  Anyone in the room will be visible in the camera.  We have one of those fancy obviously and you can see on the screen here in the room, if you move, if you touch your phone, it Zooms in on motion.  So if you start to do other things, it will focus on you.  It also, the microphone is very sensitive.  And so please try to refrain from sidebar conversation.  It makes it really garbled for folks joining remotely.  So just try to honor one person speaking at a time.
Because we are so new to each other and my folks are trying to take notes, when you do speak, if you can repeat your name and your affiliation.  At least for this first meeting until we get to know each other better, please.  And then finally, when we have the public comment period, we'll ask folks to please come up to the podium to speak and if folks are in the auditorium and wish to speak, we will make space for you so you can have your opportunity as well.  If I could ask Cheryl, please stand up, Cheryl Johnson is our staff supporting the commission.  You've gotten lots of emails and correspondence from Cheryl so, I wanted you to have a chance to put a face with the name.
>> Welcome.  Thanks for being here.
>> And Lindsay is our PIO tech extraordinaire in the corner trying to keep us in business.  Thank you very much, Lindsay, for being here today.  And last person I want to introduce is my alternate, my deputy superintendent Leslie Reynolds, many of you know her already.
>> Hello.
>> Leslie has been Seashore 12 years.  And as the deputy superintendent, if there is a meeting I'm unable to participate in, Leslie will be in the meeting as a federal officer so the meeting can proceed.  All right, lots of business.
>> I made a major faux pas.  I didn't get [Indistinct].
>> Go ahead.
>> Your name.
>> County.  I'm representing county Commissioner and I am also a resident of Wellesley.
>> Sorry.  I didn't get that.
>> Go ahead.
>> Hi, it is my great pleasure and honor to serve as the superintendent for Cape Cod National Seashore and I started this role in November.  Came on just after the Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission was reestablished.  So I'm starting with some of you that are new member.  I know we served member previously, but we're not all returning, so we may tread little bit of ground as we get backup to speed to make sure we give everybody the same foundation.  I'm thrilled to be back with the Seashore.  Rich mentioned, I say every time I have a chance to talk about it.  I'm really, really happy to be back at the cape.  And for me, I really do feel like I'm from home.  I started work for Cape Cod National Seashore 1991 when I was 20 and I came here for summers and I never left of the well, from 1991 to 1996.  I planned to go to law school instead, the National Park Service bit me, and I served the last 33 years working for the National Park Service in a variety of capacities all over the country, but Cape Cod has always been home.  We vacationed here.  I had an opportunity to do detail here in 2008.  My in-laws live on the mid-Cape.  My son worked here, my daughter has worked here.  All of us have worked for Dave.  [Laughter] and I'm thrilled to be back.  I've been away for a while, and I've had a variety of complex jobs all over the National Park Service, and I'm really grateful the opportunity to bring all of that experience that I have gathered over the last 25-ish years back to a place I really love and care about.  So I'm really happy to be here at the table with you.  And I'm excited to work on, I think some really big and snarly issues coming our way over the neck decade.  And I'm excited to get to work.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Great.  We're thrilled you're here.  So the rest of the agenda, and the real objective for today is to make sure everyone understand the revision to the charter.  There's some language change as part of the legislation.  And I want to make sure we're clear on that so we know what the scope of our mandate is.  And number 2, to go around the room and ask the county and state to identify 3 issues that are most important for your town and representative district for us to address.  High-level issues.  We'll use that to prioritize the topics that we will tackle in succeeding meetings.  And then we'll set a schedule again.  And we'll be out in time to see the stars and the moon align.  And it's kind of nice we're back in action with the cosmic event going above us.  There must be something pretty Pollyanna crazy wonderful thing happening.  So the language, which I won't go back too much into the legislative history, but the previous administration did not want us to be in existence.  Basically, they opposed the reauthorization of the legislation.  They had a number of reasons.  Some of those got carried forth in the discussion.  And in the end, the key language is reflected in the charter.  And the charter designates us as an advisory commission, and it also gives the purpose for our existence.  And the purpose reads, it's very shortened considerably.  But the purpose is for those who don't have this in front of you, the purpose of the commission is to consult with the Secretary of or designee with respect to matters relating to the development of a Cape Cod National Seashore, including matters of acquisition by condemnation and zoning regulations.  Now, that is still a pretty broad mission.  Pretty high-level.  And very important work for us to do.  And you can see being representatives of the towns who have corresponding zoning that needs to be compatible with what the park is doing, that's an obvious.  Acquisition by condemnation is a pretty dramatic action.  Doesn't happen all that much.  But they need our advice to the superintendent.  And other matters relating to the development of Cape Cod National Seashore is still broad and encompass a lot of things.  But we also want to make sure we don't get involved in the weeds too much and too much detail.  Superintendent and her staff has a wide range of issues to deal with, many of which are related to recreational management, which we no longer have direct purpose or jurisdiction by building a comment on.  Same with commercial use of some properties.  So some of the language that was deleted that allowed us to wander further field is no longer there.  But Jennifer, I talked about this, we're going to be reasonable and when issues come up that we think and you think need to be addressed, we'll take them case-by-case.
So that's my attempt to quickly summarize the new charter.  Jennifer, do you want to elaborate on that at all?
>> No, I'll just add two things.  As I talked to residents, I've been out with some of the site boards and others, I also want to remind the group that just because the advisory commission may not pick up an issue as a topic for the advisory commission, that doesn't close the door to a conversation with the Seashore.  So I imagine after the time that has passed, you are all going to have some pretty lengthy list of things that you would like to bring forward.  And, again, just because it may not become the thing that Rich, as the Chair, that you all decide to pick up, that doesn't mean that door is closed.  There's lots of ways to talk to me and our staff, and I've been to Mary Jo, has to invite me, but I've spoken to all the other select boards.  So we welcome the opportunity.  So please invite us.  Have us come to the table.  Right?  This isn't the only way that your towns and the folks you represent can have access to us.  So I just wanted to reaffirm that.  And then secondly, I just want to be clear as my role as Designated Federal Officer, and Cheryl's role as my staff.  We're here to support the commission.  Yes, I get your advice, your council comes back to me, but we are also responsible for things like getting the meeting minutes out and federal impact obligations.  And that's publishing the meeting minutes, making sure the agendas are published and meetings get in the Federal Register.  So we may be reaching out to you for some of those topics, but that's my responsibility for this group is to make sure is that we're adhering to the law that established us.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Great.  And then just couple of operating procedures.  I always try to keep the conversation open and flowing.  Member who are at the table have first chance to comment on whatever the topic is.  I recognize alternates at the same time subsequently so you can add your two cents and public has an opportunity to weigh in.  And superintendents are always willing to respond to issues that come up.  So that's how we'll operate going forward.  And I think one of the things we really enjoyed as a group is to hear the superintendent giving an update on many activities going on.  So I turn to Secretary superintendent Flynn with this part of the agenda with presentation on current activities at the Cape Cod National Seashore.
>> Great.  And so this is my stab in the dark without having met with you all thinking what you might want to hear about and based on our conversation today, I can adjust our presentation for the next meeting.
>> Rich, this is Lily.  So I don't know what part of the meeting.  I have the feeling the agenda item you addressed is one.  I just want to bring up some things that were from the previous advisory commission that would be something that I, and perhaps other member and alternate would like to continue doing.  It was really the day of the meetings, there was always a field trip that started at 9 o'clock from salt pond headquarters that could start from salt pond Visitor Center.  But it was highly informative and very useful, I think, to the member and alternates.  I would really like that to continue.  I would also like the tradition of having lunch with the superintendent.  That was something that the member and alternates paid for their own lunch, but the park staff went out and got it at some local deli or what have you.  And that was also very useful to be able to informally sit and talk with the superintendent.  And I think also --
>> Can I say something Lily.  Those are great in the past and I talked to Jennifer.  I suggest we let her get settled before we ask her too much and too many times.  So if the lunches come back, that would be great.  If there's an appropriate place for a tour of part of the park, we will be discussing it.  We'll do that as well.  Thank you for your recommendation and we'll go from there.
>> And what about press releases?  We used to always get emails with the press releases before, as they went out.  And then the other pertinent information that would help us at the meetings.
>> We're going to try for that as well.  Impersonally going to try to make this more paperless.  We had stacks and stacks of paper pressed with press releases that were just piled up in my desk and your desk too, I'm sure.  We will work with the superintendent to get everybody on a press release, electronic version, so that we'll accommodate as well.  Thanks, Lili-Ann.  Superintendent, back to your report.
>> Jennifer Flynn:  Thank you.  So first says welcome.  Go ahead, Lindsay.  And the second is a very brief overview of Seashore, which I imagined most people in this room could recite.  But it's foundation setting.  Seashore was accomplished in 1961.  Authorized boundary of 43,500 acres, a little over 27,000 of that is held in federal ownership.  We have about 4 million visits every year.  45 miles of ocean front Seashore.  You all know and you're at the table.  We follow 6 towns.  We have 6 public beaches we maintain for visitor access.  2 visitor centers.  2 former military installations and the Marconi station, the first Transatlantic wireless signal.
As you probably are aware, Seashore has large economic impact for Gateway communities where we're situated.  We have 4 million visits per year.  And it's estimated to bring in $548 million into the Gateway communities.  That's about 6,680 jobs, and when you add the benefit of those folks that also live and work and spend here, it's $750 million in impact to the communities we are surrounded by.
We are a small but mighty group.  So we have 56 permanent employees.  And intentionally talk about that, because when you think about the Federal Government, generally folks think of a really large machine and really big organization, and we would love to be bigger, but for right now, we're 56 employees that are doing our very best to protect and care for this really special place.  Our organization is targeted to 68.  But we currently have 12 vacant positions.  We're actively recruiting for 6 and I'll talk about the budget in a minute why we're not actively recruiting for 12.  We have 113 seasonal hires, and when you add our interns, we have 125 additional folks that are here during the summer season to support the Seashore mission both in the park protection mission and visitation mission.  And with the Inflation Reduction Act, we have 9 other short-term positions that will give us a temporary boost, but those are not protracted funds, or permanent funds.
Just a quick reminder Inflation Reduction Act was passed into Public Law.  It appropriated $500 million to the National Park Service that could be expended through 2030.  Those funds were apportioned out to parks and Cape Cod got $2.57 million of that.  And we have those funds available to us it cannot be for permanent people.  They're intended to be one time opportunities for us to enhance or stabilize one part of our program or operation.  This gives us a chance to try something, make a transition in how we manage something.  So the park submitted multiple requests before I came.  And we were approved to fill 9 different jobs.
So these folks are in various stages of coming onboard.  But we will get this temporary shot in the arm here over the next few years.  We're bringing in Herring river ecologist.  Another IT person.  We have a mighty program of 1 in the room and has been floating around today but Adam had jury duty, we nearly stopped.  So we need another person in the IT program.  We'll have a park archeologist.  And tribal liaison which we haven't had for some time.  And winter seasonal and help us with our data management, person helping in the lands office, those working from the towns, those are all things right-of-way, land exchanges, things that have been eating our lunch.  And EdTech and museum tech curator.  So we have a tunnel of light but short-term.  This is not a permanent solution, but hopefully it will stabilize us a bit.
And you might like to hear little bit about the budget.  This year, we planned for a reduction from 2023.  Which we got.  And we had equally operating budget for 2023 and this year for 2024 is 8.5.  So the budget cut doesn't look too terrible, unless you consider that we identified .4% federal raise.  That was unfunded.  So effectively, we lost about 7% of our buying power or about $500,000 of buying power.  It was great individually for our staff to get that raise, but as an organization, it really hurt us to have to absorb it.  Other federal dollars, other appropriated dollars that the park is able to get include project money.  Our team is really good at writing projects to go after project fund source that are available within the National Park Service.  We got about $3 million last year and 10 million for the outdoor project.  And column on the right are those fund sources that are local to the park.  So our recreational fees generally are between 1 and 1.4 million.  That's our entrance fees when they come in through the beach gate.  We get to keep 80% of that here and I think that it's really important for folks to recognize.  When I worked here in Seashore, I was a fee collector and at that point, all the money went back to the Treasury.  And there are a lot of folks who had strongly held opinions about mean going back to the Treasury.  So fact we're now able to retain it is really important to us operationally.  And I think it also makes it more palatable for the public to pay those fees.
Some of the other fund sources we have, we call them soft funds here are the over stand permits.  Special use permits.  Folks pay a small fee for wedding perpetrates.  We have commercial use authorization.  And I have another slide there, but we have I think 29 different commercial operators within the park that need to pay for the opportunity to work in the park.  And then, a portion of their revenue comes back to us.  We have a leasing program where we get about half-million dollars.  And then our own housing revenue.  I think y'all are very aware that we have housing for some of our staff.  And those folks pay fair market rent.  It's this year that fair market rent almost doubled across-the-board for folks because of the analysis that's done looking at our local communities.  But that red revenue is held at the park and restructured in the home folks live in.  And the then we have the donation account, and that varies annually.  The friends of Cape Cod National Seashore is our philanthropic partner and they do lots of good work to help cover the gaps.  I thought it would be a good reminder just to talk about some of the activities within the park.  And so we have two concessions, which I have a slide I'll skip to in a minute.  About 106 special use permits, and as I mentioned, 27 commercial use authorization permits for folks to operate within the park.
So we have two concessions.  I certainly did not do that on purpose.  We have two concessions.  The herring cove beach concession and Highland lighthouse those are session operations.  Highland links are currently out for prospectus out tomorrow.  Folks will be touring if they're interested on bidding on that business opportunity.  And herring cove snack bar is scheduled to be similarly made available for next year.  So those are two relative seasonal operations.  Highland link is open and herring cove snack bar operates through Columbus Day.  This is just a sample slide for those, I hope folks online are seeing this slide.  This is just a sample of the 27 different business opportunities within the park.  So these are CUA holders.  They range from photography, lessons, and classes, to oversee driving tours, to beach concierge which I'm excited to try.
And art classes, and everything in between.  So we have 27 folks who are authorized to have commercial activity within the park.  And just a little bit on our leasing program.  So modern house trust lease 4 properties for us.  They care for those properties and make them available to the public to rent.  The Nauset Beach in New Orleans, used to be a concession and now it's a lease property also.  We have 7 properties throughout the Seashore available on short-term basis.  So things like vacation rentals up to as long as folks want, but generally it's a week at a time.  The Truro, NEED building and hostile international.  The 7 do you know shack properties, which I think everyone was very aware of was in process.  And we have other leases that we intend to make available to the public in coming years.  So that's the list there sort of the next phase.  Province town airport, and Payomet being the prompt of those two.  And last winter, we demolished 44 structures through the Seashore.  Quite a few of them at the former Truro station.  The photo in the middle there is an after photo of the area restored.  These are structures have been dilapidated.  And this winter, we also did project at Beech Forest where we replaced the boardwalk at Beech Forest.  And it is risen, raised, the boardwalk a little above grade, and, hopefully, this will buy us a good lifespan because we used an expose material in place of wood.  In province town, we've been working on two different bike trails within the park.  So the connector path to herring Cove beach.  And we are currently working with the province town and connect the shape changer road area and we'll keep folks having to be on the ROI at all.  And there's a map on the neck Slade of that project.
Again, primarily province town project, but we will connect with each other to ensure folks can stay off the road as they transit out to the beach.
Here are the projects from this winter.  The Atlantic white Cedar swamp and this is revamped and replaced.  And that photograph to the right, lots of work on our roads and bike paths and trail quarters.  We had a winter trail crew this year for the first time.  I think it was a really good successful experiment.  Looks like we will finally be moving to that model, getting folks out on the trail due to that heavy clearing when we're not competing with the public for this space.  And this is the stuff coming up for 2024.  And I know I'm going fast.  But I don't want to dominate the meeting with what's coming.  But new fee booths in north district.  And race point and head of meadow is getting new fees to make it easier for the staff and public.  We're beginning conversation with town of east yum for a sidewalk that has entire link of cable road.  And others will be on the sidewalk all the way to Nauset light beach.  We have lots of road paving.  Starting up intro and Marconi Road is done.  And then coming in 25 additional pavings.  And Salt Pond Visitor Center, and Doane Rock.  And we're waiting for the ocean to calm down and that has not started yet as of this morning.  Lower section is no longer buried so we're going to wait little bit longer before we put the new stairs in.  We're doing a lot of hazard tree removal to create defensible space around our developed areas.  And the project we currently have going on is focused on historic structures.  We're replacing thousand park signs.  Every wayfinding sign, and orientation sign will be replaced.  So Marconi beach trail signs and all the signs will be replaced.  And signs along route 6 is the first section, and those will be starting any minute.
We have plans to replace for race point bathhouse.  We will add additional clearance there and other side of the beach, if you can picture race point, facility that's always been to the far-right.  It will be adding a second set on the far left.  So that it's easier for the public to access them.  And we've got new trams coming for the little creek and Coast Guard run.  And additional outlets going in and replacing facilities.  All over the park.
Park has 17 partners.  This slide does not represent them all.  But one of the things I would like to think about, as the advisory commission moves forward is whether or not we might want to highlight some of our different partners at some of our future meetings to give our participants an opportunity to talk about, at least support the park indirect and direct ways.  For the good of the order, I wanted to put a few dates on your collective awareness and calendar.  International Marconi day is coming up on April 27.  That's when we have a bunch of wireless operators who will come out to the Marconi site and give folks the opportunity, see and understand how that works.  The Highland light will be rededicated on May 3.  I understand this has been long in the works and has been disruptive by COVID.  So we're getting that back on the calendar and have a chance to celebrate the restoration work that was done there.
We have a poetry event on June 14.  We're really excited about that.  The 24th poet laureate.  A.D.A. Limon has chosen beach forest for the project.  And she will dedicate a picnic table which will have a poem from Mary Oliver.  And the poem is "can you imagine" and that will be on June 14.  And we're still in the planning for that, but it will be in province town, likely beach forest or province Visitor Center.  We'll get information out about that as we get closer.  Massachusetts beach buggy association has their family fishing day on June 1.  And then the last two things is we will have a recurring series here at the Visitor Center on Tuesday nights.  Both music and lectures and Wednesday nights in partnership with bar lands, concession at herring Cove.
Last two topics.  Chair alliance will recognize this, but this is part of the presentation we gave to the county.  The county commission.  But we've been asked some questions about sand migration and where we're losing and where we're gaining beach.  So I thought you all would be interested in that.  We're losing in Coast Guard, and Nauset light.  And sand my great where we lose one place and we gain some place else.  And the park has been tracking for a really long time.  The coastline.  This coastline monitoring.  So all these lines on your slide represents different years.  The years are there.  And about how much the coastline has changed.  What the lines don't tell us what's happening on the top of the block.  I went out to stare at the ocean at Marconi and be out in the sunshine for a minute and that was reinforce to me because I watched the ocean again, and again, and again, hit the base of the do you know.  Solute line is not going to move any further inland than the dune.  But what I also watched was consistent sand coming off the dune and getting into the ocean to the degree I thought there was an oil slick or something when I came over the top, because it was so brown from the dirt that was getting washed in.  So this year we're starting a project, which is 26 trans sect, where we're going to measure in 3D.  And we're also going to look at the dune edge of the block, so that gives us a better measure about how we have to think about tactical retreat.  And I know tactical is not the right word, Leslie.
>> It's a good word.
>> Adaptive.  Thank you.  Adaptive retreat.  And so we're going to have 20 trans sects.  This is just another view.  And this is Nauset light.  And we know the Shoreline, the beach change, but what we don't have good lens on what's happening at the top of the block.  So I hope we'll start to get better data on that.  And then the last thing I just want to talk about, and a very high-level is the Herring River restoration project, which I know you all live out here, so I'm sure you have seen this in the papers and other places.  But just want to highlight the partnership that we have with the town of Wellesley and other projects moving forward with the restoration.  So this photograph represents on the bottom left corner of new bridge and town of Wellesley is doing and replace it with a bridge water detachers on it so it's not just a one way valve but we can allow tidal flow again.  And the other upper section of the photograph is of the Mill Creek water structure which is a park service project.  Which will be a barrier once the title flow is restored.  No creek is where it will stop on Phase 1 of the project.
So we are doing our part is ongoing right now as well as the town's.  So different parts of the same hole.  But town section versus the park section.  And this is just another angle to demonstrate where the mill creek site is, and where our workfront is in relation to the trans net road bridge and the towns work.  And then the last topic I had which I know I've been going fast.  This is duck harbor.  So duck harbor has been having recurring beach over wash events.  Which has been a natural occurrence.  The first slide there on the right is the, in case you can't read it from the back is true and the sand wash over plume is on the right.  That's been a wash plume that's been continuing to grow.  And so wash over beginning 2021 has been recurring monthly.  Those of you in the room from Welt Lee have been feeling this any time above ten and a half or so that is been another inundation of saltwater into that area.  All the education was killed by the saltwater and we had a lot of standing dead.  And what we started to go in and remove the standing dead.  S this was taken down from 2022 to 2023.  And over this last month, we took down remaining 40 acres of the trees and shrubs impacted by the saltwater intrusion.  There were multiple reasons for the [Indistinct] and first and foremost was to remove the vegetation and remove the built up fuel as fire hazard mitigation.  And the second part was to fast-track the return of saltwater vegetation and last is just a side-by-side area after it was cleared and masticated on the left and later on last year saltwater came in.  We're beginning to see the saltwater vegetation.
And that is the end of my presentation.  I know that was a big information dump.  You will have the slides.  As we mature in our relationship together, I will try to tailor my preparation to what you are most interested in hearing about.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Thank you.  [Away from mic] We appreciate that.
(Applause)
>> [Away from mic]
>> It will be in the meeting packet.  So I don't see why not.  Cheryl and I can look at getting that closer to other meeting notes.
>> Excellent presentation.  Huge range of issues going on here at the park.  And it's always good to have a refresher.  Any questions or comments from member at the table?  I see there's one member on the screen.  But anyone at the table want to pursue a question of any of the topics to superintendent Flynn?
>> The airport is a great concern to me.  Enabling with legislation as I understand it gave promise the right to have an airport and to have, now the landfill.  And Gary study was representative in Congress and Mark can speak to it more coherently than I can.  There was some evident on the park as I understood it, the park service to take away our rights to have that airport out there.  It's important to have.  It's our tourism which is our major economic engine now.  I don't understand what this lease thing is all BI also understand that I mentioned this to George Price what's going on with the Truro Air Force station.  And I don't know what went into the ground when Air Force station was out there.  I don't know, those buildings were just falling apart, all these many years, and I don't know if asbestos was in the water table or radiation in the water table?  So it's been a great concern to me about the high incident of cancer we've had out there.  I'm also concerned about the dune shacks and the park service relationship with those folks that still are able to be in the dune shacks.  Several years ago, and Mark might remember it as well, when the dune shacks were falling apart, we lost many of them.  Those are historic building occupied by Jean O'Neal and other famous artists.  And those are under lease, and who's going to maintain them?  People out there all these years, the task force, they're the ones who did all the repairs and invested all the money into their maintenance and continued to be able to habitable.  If a leased one starts to have the roof falling in and that Saturday of thing, is the park service going to repair that roof?  Are they going to put the new windows in?  I want to know what those lease for dune shacks are going to be maintained.  I know for several years now, the Tasha family is going to be in the dune shack or Sal del day I don't are going to take care of them.  But the leased ones are ones I'm concerned about.  Because National Park has a history of not taking care of those buildings and I think they really want to see them go.  That's my real concern.  And it bothers me so much, because province town and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts gave the Federal Government 75% of its land base.  Probably gave more to the Federal Government than any other of the 5 towns within the National Park Service.  So I'm concerned about that.  I also am concerned n about that battery thing at our landfill.  It's all the same batteries.  If there's any problem with that battery, which is supposed to provide, you know, emergency backup lighting when power fails, it's my understanding that the fire department is not allowed to each go near it because it's all lithium batteries.  My sister lives south of route 6.  She's in an evacuation zone if anything goes wrong with that thing.  And it bothers me the park service is supposedly so concerned with the environment and ecology and all those things, that thing has been allowed to be built out there.  When I was a child, we had emergency generators in province town.  Some were along the line when I was a town meeting member in college or something, the town gave away the emergency generators.  And so now we have this battery, which I think is very dangerous.  And it concerns me that in a town of basically elderly people, people who have to have CPAP machines, people who have to have insulin refrigerated and things of that nature, that we have a very dangerous facility in our landfill which is your property.  And this is another one that goes back to when George brighten and I got elected to the board test about wind and Provincetown.  And we are a prime place for wind towers, for wind energy.  But I know we wouldn't be able to do it because of the dune sheds.  So there's a competing interest between the National Park Service wanting to preserve the environment and not wanting something that's more environmentally, I don't know, more forward.  We have coast erosion going on.  I know on one of the last slides, when you talk about long point losing sand, long point is not losing it.  Long point is getting longer.  I've been looking at long point for 78 years.  Every time I look out there, the lighthouse seems to be going more this way.  And the sand seems to be going more this way.  So that's something I'm kind of concerned about too.  I don't know if it's going to eventually hit the bell [Indistinct].  But we really need to improve our relationship with those people that aren't occupying the dune shacks who maintained them all these years and I want to know who's going to maintain the leased ones.  Because there's probably nothing in your budget to put a roof on the dune shack.  And so if they're not maintained, then they're going to crumble and go away. that's it.
>> Thank you.
>> It's been 70 years or something.
>> I created an agenda so it will take us through the next 4 meetings.  And I'm not going to put so many questions to superintendent to answer those.  But it's recorded and thank you for the highlights.  I assume, I was thinking about the questions on her presentation.
>> Well, some of those were.
>> So that folds.  But if there's no question from the presentation from member or alternates, let's go into the agenda you started for us, Mary Jo.
>> Rich, can you acknowledge me?  I just --
>> (Overlapping speakers).
>> Someone lowered my hand.
>> I can't see you on the screen.
>> This is Lilli-Ann.  I just wanted to state that it sounded like the slides will be made available to us and sent to us via email Bay PDF.  And I would just like to, at this point, at the first meeting after all these years make this a standard operating procedure that if there's slides that we receive them so we don't have to ask at every meeting for those PDFs to be emailed to us after the meeting or prior to the meeting.  Thank you.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.  Good.  This will be available to all of us.  Okay.  So unless there's anything on the presentation specifically, thank you for a comprehensive presentation.  You start sparked a lot of interest and a lot of the same issues will come up as priorities in individual towns.  So I would like to move to really what I think is the most important thick to accomplish today which is to hear from our town representatives and county as statement presenters about other issues and Mary Jo started off giving us a whole list.  We will continue.  Roughly, Sheila any two or three?
>> No, Lilli-Ann.
>> [Away from mic]
>> David W. Crary, Jr.  So I don't have a formal from the town, but I know these 3 issues come up, and one with the new charter might be a little bit off, but it's already been discussed is the beach parking for east residence, but that's being addressed and it is a big concern.  Second concern is water quality, both drinking water and disposable of the not drinking water quality.  And input by both the town and the Seashore interface, and that's a huge wetland issue.  And lastly, there's always concerns about the natural resources and the processes which include the beach erosion, and terrestrial land management and tree shrub open land areas and all that.  So summer of parking issues, water quality, and terrestrial issues.  Thank you.
>> Thank you.  Larry oh leans?
>> I can't remember how long my term has been, but when they selected me to commission and the right person instruction was make sure that our beaches are left alone and town can maintain them in conjunction with the Seashore.  And that seemed to have been the case.  And I think it worked well with the Seashore and whole issues.  Obviously, there's going to be some common issues.  And in terms of things with seals, sharks, and maintenance of the beach and all those can combine for the needs of the lanes, and plus what the Seashore is doing.  I don't know if this is still the case in the Seashore, but it was just before our last meeting, I was informed there were approximately 9PHE working at the Seashore, maybe not full-time employees, but on various tasks that I included in the items that would benefit.  And in addition, we all live in this area of the Seashore.  Mary Jo is a good example.  All the issues she raised don't necessarily affect our lands, but they're all important issues for those of us who live in this area.
>> Thank you.  And as we identify issues town by town, what I'm looking for is ones that are really regional and repeated in terms.  Because we're really the regional voice.  Jennifer is willing to have our meetings individually town by town, but this is a forum where our regional combination perspective would be important.  So that's a great point.
>> So I would say and we have the benefit of a meeting with superintendent Flynn and board couple of weeks ago which is great.  So a lot of the issues that we have is [Away from mic] Water is huge.  As we try to develop the Welsh property which is a track of land and we're looking to puppet number of units there.  So that would involve putting in a wastewater treatment plant and access to municipal water which would probably come from Provincetown which comes from Truro.  And one of the issues there is we're going to need to put a water tower in.  And we're looking for new well sites and north Truro or south Truro.  So to accommodate increasing development in Truro and also Provincetown.  Housing is another issue we run into.  Zoning of course.  And I know that's one of the things in the charter where we have dissonance between what the town allows and what the Seashore allows.  So for example, ADUs.  People who have property within the National Seashore and their ability to develop an EDU and end it up in port.  And that's a huge issue and trying to work with the seashore to share housing or develop housing, or rent housing, seasonally or year-round is a huge issue all over the cape.  So can we work together to find ways to increase the housing stock for year-round, seasonal people.  And lastly, we talked about maintenance of fire roads and fire trails for safety.  Those are on our agenda.
>> Good.  Good.  Thank you.  Tom.
>> Yes, and superintendent, you may have heard some of these from the board and one is feature erosion data and obviously, you capturing that and it would be good to acquire purposes for the chat and it would be great to get access to that.  And also do we have any protocol or measures for non-lethal predators and non-lethal measures on bird life.
>> Non-lethal --
>> Measures to essentially scare predators away.  I'm assuming entirely using that.  And then any protocols for [Indistinct].  And I think there was an issue of tide Galen supporting, ongoing support.  [Away from mic]
>> Years past, we had a long discussion about non-lethal measures to protect the predators from some of the crows.  Because I recall, they were determined smart crows and then some not so smart crows.  And they had cages in very city domes.  And that was a fun conversation.
Lily, Wellesley report?
>> Thank you.  So I'll start with the mosquito permitting schedule.  And it's not only the schedule, but the debris that's been cut seems to trap some of the stagnant water so working with the Massachusetts team would be really helpful for, I think, a lot of the towns.  And keeping that permitting on schedule so that we don't have the issue that we had several years ago.  The next one is something common throughout all towns is fire safety and fire prevention.  And I know that superintendent Flynn said she was going to be working on that and has great expertise, itch I am very excited about.  The third would be land swaps, broadband permitting, because there are areas with especially, well, in my town, and all the towns, where it crosses Seashore property.  The supportive historic preservation and environmental preservation on land owned privately, I think they're called inholdings.  And one of the examples is my subROR property and restoration project.  And use that as an example in partner.  And having them come and speak with would be great in supporting their efforts would be really important as well as others.
We and Wellesley have a problem with the alcohol on beaches and the park services policy as well.  If we get that nailed down, and smoothed out, that is an ongoing problem probably, maybe something crop up with other towns and obviously, this is important and land swaps there are critical.  I know I talked about the establishment of the woodchuck forest and establishing a network for mere I had of issues.  And I think I covered it all.  As far as my list of 9 things.  So it's been a long time.  We have a lot that has piled up over the years.  And I appreciate your attitude and your willingness to support and work with us.  Thank you.
>> Thanks, Lily.  Should we go to the county?
>> Superintendent Flynn did meet with us a week or two ago and we did go over a lot of the similar issues here.  I didn't speak with Wellesley and since I am from there and sea-level rise and wash over and it is what it is and everything we wanted to see that something about those trees being cut down.  But if you see it, it is what it is.  I do think that we do want to prepare, if there was a mosquito problem with some of these.  But there's many ways county works with the Seashore.  We have our AmeriCorps volunteers who work closely with the member and they do a lot of different work representing restore some of these pathways, and whatever else is needed.  But the fire training will be also important.  And necessary.  And I think educating and communication with the public is critical.  Because people do know things are changing and we can see it here already with prediction of scientists where a lot of people wanted to ignore are now coming to pass.  And coming to pass rapidly.  A lot of rapid change for everyone.  So we need to hang tight and just really communicate and work together as opposed to trying to find a source to blame, and then put frustration on that as opposed to say we're all in this together and how do we solve the problem and that's where the county and myself, I'm speaking, if you have anything to add, Mark, working in good partnership to help and share whatever concerns that arise with us.
>> Great.  Mark, do you want to add to that?
>> Yeah, I just want to echo our tremendous pleasure meeting with superintendent Flynn.  And one of the things I want to emphasize is designing and collaborating with the county.  And given the resources we have within our jurisdiction, whether it's any lab area where there might be opportunities to work together in terms of water supply, and water resources, and management.  And I want to add one of the things that was [Away from mic] And it served, it's an ongoing concern, because there's growing pressure from housing and housing development.  But one of the things we haven't looked at closely in the region is the health of these lenses within our -- that are on the lower table.  Recent years, we've seen a great deal of collaboration among the municipality in terms of management of the lands, the borders that provides water to rooster, [Indistinct] and tremendous amount of collaboration looking at the health of that land and what degree it can support in the communities that have been collaborating on water conservation policies.  You have a very delicate situation on the outer cape, and I think at some point, as communities, if they're thinking of expanding and developing, I think the challenge is making sure that any extraction is done in a sustainable way and I'm sure there's a lot we still need to learn about that.
And that's an area where I do think can be significant collaboration between the county, and whether it's at the commission or elsewhere.  And in the park service.  I think that collaboration has been critical.  And we've spent significant amount of time in the Sagemore land.  And as Commissioners, to protect that water supply from further contaminant.  So honestly, I believe we need to collaborate in making sure we're doing what we can to protect all of the various lenses that are part of the so-called [Indistinct] and areas that often get overlooked.  So we don't really address it until it's a serious problem.  Thereafter an area we should give more look and [Away from mic] .
>> If I can just add to that before I give up the mic here for the county, Cape Cod commission comes and they do a lot of studies about the water table, and the levels, and we have gone through droughts in the past, and it's always concerning to me not only the drought and impact on fire, but as I do see there's such a big push, and focus on housing, are we going to be able to sustain that housing?  We don't want to build housing and all of a sudden, all of us have no water because there's no water erupt.  We have seen this in other communities and there's over building and now there's no water.  As much as our intentions are on the good side, we have to be honest and practical about not putting, not just people who are already here, but other people in very precarious situation.  So I echo what Mark says, and the Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission, as our partner and partners with the Seashore, and I think it's going to be very interesting couple of years coming up and lots of discussions on this.  And we're willing to do our part with you in helping educate.
>> Great.  Thank you.
>> Rich.  Rich.  Can I just -- can I just make another point?  Because I'm the assembly delegate from Wellesley.
>> How about you let us complete the round.  I want to have Leslie join us.  Thank you.  (Overlapping speakers).
>> Leslie from the state level, big assignment, is there anything you like to add for clarity sake we might want to consider going forward?
>> Mine are rather top line.  I have two.  One being maintaining the relationship with man at a nothing trying and cultural significance and in addition to tribal access.  And possibility of the commission looking at a cultural respect easement and/or agreement with the native land conservancy.  And non-profit land conservation group started about 14 years ago in Mashpee by founder Ramona Peters seeking to maintain these kinds of relationships with land owners, municipalities, and in this case, the National Seashore.  Second know, I would look to maintain relationship with the -- marine science angle of the work that we do.  In supporting and revitalizing the piping flubbers and also as it relates the effect of climate change to the seashore searise erosion and especially seagrass.  So those would be my two top line areas.
>> That's great.  Thank you very much.  Much appreciated.  So I do want to come to Lilli-Ann for questions.  And I also want to give you a heads up.  Anything from the commission you want to add?  Go ahead, Lilli-Ann.
>> That probably relates to Heather as well, because they have a great working relationship about the ponds.  They're working on the ponds study now.  And they have a great collaboration with the Seashore.  So perhaps it's a larger issue about the freshwater lenses if the commission and the Seashore can collaborate on that as well as they're working through this other issue.  Might be a direction for them to take.  But also I did want to say the public has a number of comments, obviously, over these many years.  And in Wellesley, it's been limited.  But public should make the comments and we should respond to them at some point?  Is that the way you wanted to handle that, Mr. Chair?
>> There is an enough opportunity on the agenda for public comment.  Yes.
>> And right.  In my town, it's kite surfing and also the way things are handled with the herring river and the neighbors.  So those are the two issues I see top line.  And Mark Robinson is also on the cowl which you know that, right?
>> No, I didn't see.  We can't see all the names.
>> I see him up there.
>> Mark, you are there.
>> Hi.  My apologize.  Did you want to add a priority or two?
>> Thank you.  Mark Robinson.  One of the two state reps representing the state from the Governor Hilly's office.  I just want to make sure everybody understands that we have a great regional coordinator from Massachusetts called Sisone management and Steve McKenna who has a lot of experience and coastal issues, Marine issues.  And certainly could be a great resource to the park service and staff.  I'm sure they know about him.  I also just like to say that the park has always been a collaboration, a partnership, and many different levels of government and also with the non-profit and non-profit I work with 9 to 5 is come pack of Cape Cod conservation trust.  And we have local land trust in each of the 6 towns lower Cape and land conversancy which is part of our network.  And in the past, I provided updates on the land conservation projects that have gone on in and around the park.
And we've had some great success stories in the past 5 years that it might be interesting to highlight at a future meeting.  So I would be happy to do that.  The other thing that is coming little bit more to the fore, I think, we had several examples of land owners on the eroding bluff donate their properties for conservation.  Both in Wellesley and ENDSTM and although this is a sad thing when people are losing their properties and sometimes their homes to the natural, I think accelerating rates of erosion.  There are also opportunities for them to collect tax benefits donating the property before they fall over the cliff.  So we've seen that in 3 instances I can highlight and I'll be happy to bring those to the fore as well.
>> That's an interesting one and there will be a lot more coming down the Pike.  Good point.  Thanks, Mark.  Sorry I didn't see you earlier in the screen.
>> That's okay.
>> RICH DELANEY:  And Heather, do you want to chime in a little bit from the Cape commission perspective?
>> Sure.  [Away from mic] This is the regional and just to be clear, I'm alternate to the Chair.  And just [Indistinct] [Away from mic] I'm really here to listen and take a regional perspective.  And I'm taking copious notes and interested in what everyone is saying.  We couldn't to monitor them on levels as to related to and continue to play a role in helping to site [Indistinct].  123 and the freshwater initiative that's ongoing.  There's a lot of work and freshwater initiative, I encourage you to look at that, we're already in collaboration with the Seashore to access another data.  And have some of their specialists participating [Away from mic] .  So looking forward to more of that.
>> Great.  All right.  So we have a long list.  I have been taking copious notes as well.  And sure.  Leslie.
>> Couple of alternates speak.  May I speak on couple of [Indistinct].
>> Please do.
>> When it comes to sharing water with [Indistinct] we have a very good relationship and we appreciate it immensely.  In terms of another well, it's important we have one during the season.  We get 850,000 gallons per day in the season we exceeded in July for couple of weeks.  The well we currently have, the well that's supposed to be redundant is no longer redundant.  And problem of housing because we need it, we're building it within the stay of limited capacity.  In other words, affordable housing and community workforce housing [Indistinct].  We are not allowing -- and we've had many second home on that who are not happy with us.  We're not allowing second bedrooms, third bedrooms, and fourth bedrooms just because we can.  So I wanted to let you know they're take a strict look at making sure we're prioritizing our water use because we're at the top.  Now, granted in the winter, everything gets replenish issued and we're fine.  But it's just that looking for a well is something that is very important to us.  And we're grateful for our staff level through the province and it takes 5 years to create a well.  And in terms of groundwater, we're just not building willy-nilly and we're taking a proactive approach.  Because water is precious resource with limitation and we're still in a housing crisis.  And then for the airport, we had at our last town meeting and unfortunately had to postpone a budget item to pull the fund for airport because our lease has not been signed and if you could, and I know you're busy and you've got a lot thrown at you, but if you can get a appraisal going for the town, we would be grateful for that.  And we that you think for that in advance.  Lastly, thank you so much for what you have done for each forest and bicycle path around each forest.  It's just beautiful.  And also we will correct the fact that Provincetown is only town [Away from mic] .  I texted the town manager you should have a invitation.  Thank you.
>> Thank you, we have quite a list.  I know we'll try to sort this out.  But right off the bat, I'm hearing the triple crises that Cape Cod faces across every town.  Water quality, housing, and climate change.  There's a triangulation of those that Leslie pointed out.  So I think those will come back up repeatedly as issues that we all want to be involved in.  Just blow that, I heard fire prevention, fire triangle, management that is an issue that is literally across-the-board.  If then more locally, there's some important issues but they're more localized and dune shafts and herring river and local parks and all things with town parking and Chatham.  I'm not dismissing any topics brought up, but those seem to be major things we're hearing.  So it's going to help us shape a pretty ambitious agenda for the next several meetings.  So let me just turn to the member and the alternates one more time.  Anything else that was missed or I'll give you a brilliant second thought to bring to the table and want to mention as well?
>> I just have a little teeth of information.  Provincetown are currently working on resources millimeter study, the water departments.  So they're looking at everything from sites for new wells and so on so that should be made available for this group.  And our conservation agent is sitting here and they've been presentations in town.  And it's a very active group.  That's something that should be factored in.
>> Thank you.  Commitment from everybody with collaboration, sharing data, that's something few of us on the Cape should [Away from mic] .  So, yeah.
>> Eroding is a common issue throughout.  Chatham is little more unique in a sense compared to other towns and it's pretty obvious where your Seashore boundary is.  And we're not always sure where you are and where we are.  So just as those change continue, I just want to make sure [Away from mic] .
>> Good point.  Okay.  Then Sheila.
>> The other thing and it's been said but I'm going to put another emphasis on it is working with zoning issues, and zoning is going to be critical across all of our towns s and to make sure we're working in collaboration and come up with the same agreement.  I know it was recommendation for zoning when the Seashore was created and not everyone adopted them.  And it can lead to other frictions.  So I think it's good to help the town review those and make sure they are reflecting what the National Seashore intent originally was.
>> I think that's a terrific idea and I'm glad you brought it up.  In fact, if you remember from few minutes ago, our purpose specifically calls out this opportunity for this forum to be involved in coordinating National Park land use and zoning with individual town zoning.  And you remind us that the original enable legislation encourage zoning to be updated and compliant with the goals of the park.
>> They suggested by-laws to be adopted and some people did it and some people just out of goodwill thought it was being followed, but, you know, times change and people decided to change.  So it's good to have things in place.
>> I think would other member of the committee, would it be worth revisiting at some point?  Zoning gets really kind of complicated.  But I think that would be an important topic for us as a group to spend time with.  Yes, reaction from superintendent.  Go ahead.
>> So I met with park ahead of time to talk about what would be helpful to get advice and recommendations on.  And not surprising you all hit the topics that we have identified, but I just want to do amplify the other conversation around auxiliary drilling units and zoning and how to think about that moving forward was on our list.  Freshwater access, 100%.  As you all know, we do have lots of scientists.  But we've got folks who are working in this space quite a bit already.  So I think maybe Leslie who said it, that -- there's two Leslies.  Said about sharing data.  I think we have lots of data information.  And to Mary Jo's concern about water quality, we've been doing a lot of water quality work for a really long time.  If we brought all of it together, it would tell us and participate a really clear picture if we could unsilo all of that data.  So water quality is something and access to freshwater is something that park staff felt like was a really good topic for this group.  And the other one was around fire and all of its categories.  And I think Bridget, this fits into your conversation about the climate change bucket.  That could be zoning as we think about defensible space around houses and National Park Service has adopted the international movie standard which is interstandard for Seashore adopting around our structures.  But if all of us adopted those standards, it would certainly make our built assets more defensible in the event of a wildfire.  So I think there's a lot of conversation around wildfire that could be really appropriate for this group.
And those are my 3 things and I just wanted to answer Mary Jo, if I may, just for a minute.  We are actively working on the airport space.  And Leslie, I know you also brought it up.  And it's sad to take away the anticipate.  We have a firm over and over airport should exist and will exist.  But FAA wants, it's a permanent longer term solution, it's a longer term solution than the permits we've been issuing.  So we're actively engaged in that, and we're committed to making that, moving airport to that better legal instrument.  Mosquitoes were brought up and we're working with the mosquito authority already.  We're getting the permits ready.  I was here the first year, the over wash of the family vacation and I thought we were in a horror movie.  So you don't need to speak to me about the mosquitoes.  We're actively engaged in that conversation.  So I just want to get through couple of things.
>> Good.  Now we'll get to public comment in a few minutes and add to more ideas.  Let me go back to the other business of once we sort out the priorities, how often should we meet going forward?  And when?  And if we can get a few dates on the calendar, it's going to make our park administrative life easier.  Because as you recall, each of our meeting has to be announced in Federal Register.  And that itself is sometimes more than a 8-week process.  But Jennifer has come up with a new technique if we announce 3 or 4 or 5 meetings all at once, we can beat the bureaucracy a little bit.  So should we stick with Monday's?  That's been the historical day?  Unless this presents a big problem?  And probably, every other month?  Is that a good frequency?
>> I think that's what we had before.
>> We used to take the summer off.  So we used to have 3 or 4 meetings.  Hold on for a second, please.  And then we will go from there.  Just putting out couple of ideas about frequency and time.  Is that Lilli-Ann?
>> Yes, it's me.  Hi, Rich.  Yes, so we haven't been meeting for all these years and we have a huge list of items and I think, you know, if the park -- if the superintendent would like to take July and August off, because it is so busy there, that's perfectly understandable.  But I think we definitely should meet May, June, September, October, November, and December.  Just to get things under on its way moving forward.  And then maybe next year, we can go back to every other month.
>> Appreciate that.  We cannot get on the calendar for 8 weeks so that earliest we can have our next meeting would be July 1.
>> So it was my understanding was it was a month.
>> 6 weeks.  So we'll advertise July 1.
>> 8 weeks from now is June.
>> RICH DELANEY:  My mistake.  You see my calendar?  [Laughter] not really professional.  All right.  So, thank you all for pointing it out.  So if we -- can we get one in June?
>> No sooner than June 17.  So we will submit a package.  And it has to route through many, many people to the Secretary, and then the Secretary has to approve it to go to Federal Register.  That's why it takes a long time for all hands to touch it.  And we need to allow 8 weeks to happen.  And the public needs 15 days of notice.  8 weeks plus the 15 days, because we can't put the Federal Register outright the day before.  So I recognize now we're going to have this gap.  But if we can agree to a rhythm, we can publish multiple meeting dates next time and sort of be able to meet more frequently if the group wants to.  But I do need that 8 to 10 week buffer to make sure we give the appropriate public notice.  Which Rich and I mapped it out was around July 1 was the most reasonable next date.
>> We should get it in by June, but --
>> Is June 24 okay, superintendent Flynn?
>> No, that's not.  I'm out of -- well, Heather could take over.  But we move -- we gave ourselves -- Jennifer gave us that extra week and moved it to July 1.  So we used to take, those talking about things we used to do, well, we used to take August off, because park is busy.  And people's schedule gets tough so, if we wanted to push to do catching up, like Lily suggesting, we can do first week in July, first week in August, first week in September.  And then start to go and see how we are, and then maybe go every other month for the winter.  And get this schedule under our belt.  So question to you guys is, is August something we can all handle?
>> Yes.
>> And can I just offer also, we need to also say what we're going to talk about.  So the public needs notice about the topics.  So it doesn't have to be minute agenda, but if we're going to talk about water, if one of our meeting is focused on water conversation, we need to identify that so number one, we can have the right experts.  But also a public notice of what we're going to be talking about for public participation.  So those are two things I want to suggest.  So some of these are super meaty.  I'm not sure we can get meaty done in a month.  But I prefer in terms of that.  But those are two components I need from the group is the date and substance of the meeting, the topic that will be discussed.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.  Do you have a question?
>> Do we need the topics for August and later meetings?  Or for now, we just need one for the next meeting?
>> I would say next couple.  Because as we get refined, I can do another Federal Register updated.  But I also need to give the public a topic.  So we can broadly paint fire is going to be topic, water is going to be topic, and as we get closer, we can provide additional information and always repost in the Federal Register if we totally change our mind.  But I think locking in a few so people can anticipate the rhythm from us is going to be important.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Go ahead.
>> And I was just going to say, since you had discussed this and looked at what is possible and now that you know the different concerns, and areas of discussion, I don't think it's a problem to start in July, and then go forward.  July 1, and then the first Monday of every month?
>> Yeah.  September would be 9th because it's a holiday.
>> And then you could take each of these topics and then add something to it if it comes up if there's going to be two topics.  Specifically every month for the agenda.
>> I have an issue with November, first weekend of November.  My dates are 18th and 25th.  Would you be willing to do that?
>> Let's get the schedule first.  I don't know -- I can't possibly have everybody's calendar.  So let's get a structure and see how we can adjust.  Let's do this.  The theme we're working on is first Monday of each month.  July 1, August 5, September 2, but that's Labor Day.  So we've got September 9.  And then October 7.  And those are 4 days.  If we can get 4 days.  November 4 is a problem for Lilli-Ann, I understand.  But everyone else may have problems other days so, let's at least get the 4 dates, July, August, September, October into the next Federal Register meeting.  And the topics will be broad as we can make them to give ourselves some flexibility.  Water, resource, management first time.  Terrestrial, land fire management second time.  Park use, parking facilities.
>> [Away from mic] (Overlapping speakers).
>> Beach policy and zoning?
>> Yeah.  Zoning would be, I don't want to forget that one either.  Third one in September.  All right.
>> So zoning related to alignment with Secretary of standards?
>> So we ask the towns and park to review and align and I'll find out gaps where it's not aligned.  So we have water in July, forest, land, management in August, zoning issues and related issues in September, and then in October, climate adaptation.
>> I heard a lot of partners and tribe and all that.  And I don't know the word, but a partner presentation discussion, promotion under the "got partner" is what I'm thinking of based on what I heard.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Thank you.  So we have included and let's reinforce the collaboration aspects.  If we do that overtly and omit it in our agenda on October 7, each of the major partners might get 10 minutes to go around the room.
>> If I can highlight, if I may, each meeting, because they will kind of meaty issues and we have two-hour meetings.  Each meeting can highlight, invite a partner to come in, and give their 15 minutes.  And it's really focused on them and it's not just a meeting of 10 minutes of everybody.  But we can highlight each meeting and it's what we do and how we work with you.
>> Rich -- (Overlapping speakers).
>> RICH DELANEY:  Agenda would have an opportunity for a different partner.  That makes sense.
>> The September meeting, if it can be zoning and policies, that would give us a broader sense and maybe we can cover other things.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.
>> Not to lose that, it does seem to make sense, I think, [Away from mic] I don't want lose David's comment about tribal engagement.  That could be its own meeting.  I don't know what Leslie --
>> RICH DELANEY:  Leslie, we would look for guidance around your interest and the tribe?
>> Absolutely.  You mean, maybe half hour or 40 minutes in one of the meetings would be ideal?  And we can open up for Q&A?  And 30 to 40 should give me a good amount of time to present on the best ways to work together.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Excellent.  So we've got it.  We've got 4 or 5 dates and major topics.  And you know, other topics will spin out of what we will talk about inevitably.  Larry.
>> General comment.  It's going to be couple of months before our meeting and I don't have a problem with Jennifer having the authority if something comes up that's important and she can deal with the publication to include that, even if we haven't discussed it.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.  Yep.  That's flexibility we need to add.  Let me emphasize that point.  It's a two-way street.  With all things and ideas we're advising you, but you also may want to test things out with us.  And so you've got couple of list on your agenda already.  That's terrific.  Anything else on our topics?  I want to turn to the public because that's an important aspect of our meeting as well.
>> As we start to do the work, one of my job is to make sure that out of our meeting comes recommendations.  So as we're thinking about this, also in the back of your mind, be thinking about, what is the recommendation of the park?  What is the advice back to the park?  Because we, Cheryl and I need to report by our meetings about what the advice was.  And we want to make sure we're demonstrating that this is not just a presentation, but it's actually doing conversations and we're getting advice back.  So as we launch on all of these different topics, please be thinking about how do we bring this as a recommendation as end result of the conversation or meeting?  Maybe it's not every single meeting, but we're asked to account for that in our meeting report.  So just meeting, obviously, is our kickoff.  But after we have a robust discussion about water management, you know, I don't want to presume what the recommendation is.  But just be thinking about that as a group.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Okay.  So action and specifics when possible.  I want to open up the floor for public comment.  You guys have been good and patient.  Hopefully you've been hearing us all right.  So this is an opportunity to comment.
>> Looks like there's a line here already.  Yes.
>> Because I'm first, yes, two things.  First is really important question.  We have at the table very clearly [Indistinct]
>> Can you speak up, please?
>> Sorry.  They're not hearing it on Zoom.
>> I want to identify myself.  I'm Linda Wilson.  The [Indistinct] Wellesley and two people from the park and [Indistinct] in charge of the Herring River.  So first thing is, on your end, someone involved with the project, that the park, [Away from mic] Vegetation was included and was a very good idea and very much on the table.  And I live here and I really hope that given you have a tight budget, somehow that gets back to being part of your management.  That's the first thing.  Second thing is, as former of board of Commissioner in Wellesley, [Indistinct] [Away from mic]
>> Kelly works for us.  Yes.
>> So when I was Commissioner, I got an annual readings from the Cape Cod commission from the [Indistinct].  And at certain point, Kelly told me the park would no longer support providing those on readings automatically.  So a suggestion about the water.  And it was spot on.  Early 2,000, unfortunately, outer Cape has limited resource.  So [Indistinct].  But it would be good if the park would automatically, without being asked supply and park's water, you know, [Indistinct].  [Away from mic] Because they should see that ongoing on an annual Reg, and [Away from mic] And all the Commissioners and all the towns don't know that.  And they make decisions based on we need more housing.  People deserve water, but they're not looking at our actual resource.
>> RICH DELANEY:  So that's a great question.  That will be addressed, water question will be addressed in our very first meeting.  And the fire issue will be the second one.  Thank you.  I'm sorry.
>> Catherine Bacon from Wellesley.  And also former alternate on the submission.  First and foremost, I want to say, I'm really thrilled that the Commissioner has been reinstated.  You've been very, very missed.  You are the think tank for towns that inter setting with Cape Cod Seashore.  Second, I'm just really grateful to have an opportunity to speak.  I sent a very detailed letter to superintendent Flynn last week, and I got a very, very detailed response back.  So I'm going to make my comment brief and just say to you, we're witnessing what I believe is ground zero for sea-level rise in Wellesley right now as we speak.  If I had a time-lapse video of what we're seeing at Duck Harbor on a daily basis, you would be awestruck.  Staff is doing all they can to respond to this over wash, which is coming in greater and sooner, and just unexpectedly having to deal with it on-the-fly.  It's going to create a very big challenge for mosquito, and modeling [Indistinct].  Now we're seeing a lot of thing come in from a completely different direction and we haven't begun to deal with the floodgates.  So I just want to say going forward, it's really going to be a priority with the Seashore, the town of Wellesley, to keep communication open frequently.  I think good communication equals transparency and accountability.  And I want to see this, you know, I want to see us maintain that communication.  Again, I'm really appreciative of the response I got addressing my concerns.  And I think I've seen staff out there almost on a daily basis.  Jeff Sanders, Sophia Fox, responding to what we're going to be dealing with in Wellesley a lot sooner than we expected.
>> [Away from mic] I highly value public comments.  And I'm not going to shortchange you guys.  But I also promise [Indistinct].  [Away from mic] So let's go until 3:15 and we'll adjourn for 20 minutes.  And I and superintendent will be back here at 3:35 to continue.  To be fair with all parties involved.  Yes, you're next.
>> I'm Jen Armstrong, and I'm very glad to meet you, Jennifer.  I think I can answer some of Mary Jo's questions.
>> Can you speak up?
>> Little louder, yes.  77 years ago, my parents were invited out to come see the dunes.  So my high school spent two days in Cambridge, and found a shack abandoned and [Away from mic] And they fell in love.  So they rescued [Indistinct].  [Away from mic] And it turns out it was the hand sisters.  So 733 acres to ocean today and broken down house [Away from mic] .  And so since then, it's been a lifetime of maintenance and caring for it.  And [Away from mic] Fierce competitiveness.  And rebuilding it and rebuilding it.  And my uncle's ashes are there and [Away from mic] .  Transition.  And we worked really hard for more than a year and came up with a plan, written out clearly and plainly.  And we all agreed to that.  [Away from mic] .  And we [Indistinct] amount of work and dedication and gone forth just to keep this place alive.  I think we can all understand [Indistinct].  And this was on the hill -- [Indistinct] [Away from mic] So I'm very, very hopeful and optimistic we can move forward in the same way -- [Away from mic] So it's been tough, and I think we can move forward.  And, hopefully, we can work together.
>> Thank you.  Just so I can comment, this commission and the subcommittee has spent a lot of time and awful lot of time for the recommendations and criteria, and issue has worthy of coming back again.  And maybe we should really have that early on in our agenda, even part of the water quality in July.  Because it's been --
>> Can I make a suggestion?  We saw the current RFPs are finished.  This would be something I can share.  Once the leases are issued, there will be lots of information that's available.  And I think it's more constructive conversation if we can wait until the leases are signed, and we can share all of that information.  But as long as it's in process, I'm not able to share the information.  We can have a lot of listening, but I'll be able to do a lot more sharing if we can wait for the leases currently in process are finished.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Is there a timeframe for that?
>> They're being negotiated right now.  And the negotiations don't have a specific time limit on them so I can't say.
>> Summer is almost here.
>> This will be -- will that be, you're saying in a way, it will be too late for issues and Janet and others would want to have a discussion about it?
>> I don't think so, but again, what I'm offering is if it's a two-way conversation, there will be much more two-way if the current process is finished.  If it's not, I will be in -- I can listen just like I can listen today, but there will not be as much I can share.
>> To answer Mary Jo's question, but to answer couple of those, that's one of the things I'm concerned about.  Who are keeping -- and [Indistinct].  What happens between that and you're booted out, and next person comes in, I'm concerned about that because we can't wait a week without getting some maintenance.  [Away from mic] .  But we have to be there and agree.  That that's what we've done in the beginning.  [Away from mic]
>> Here's what I'm going to suggest.  I know there are at least 2 more hands up there that want to talk about this.  I know this is going to get into a big long conversation.  I think it's worth putting this on the agenda for July.
>> I agree.  Judge just what you said, people will want to discuss this and write out the issues that's coming forward.  [Indistinct].  This is where we have enough boards from all of us to have a quorum.  So I'm going to possibly put this with the water quality and I'm going to ask for everybody a 15-minute recess.  15-minute recess.  Go right out to the back patio that's available.  Be back here at 3:35.
>> This is Cape Cod.  We're having technical difficulties right now.
>> I'm not sure if it had to do with the Eclipse right now.  But the main source of this meeting, we got booted out and we were trying to get in.  I didn't know there were couple of people in chat that had questions, so I was thinking maybe --
>> We can take down questions.  Or I could ask you to email them?  S.
>> Hello no.  Fix it.
>> I like to not be a conspiracy theorist and say the Eclipse had something to do with it.
>> No, it's a National Park Service.
>> So they're wrapping up their in-person comments and we're in the auditorium.  When they're done with their in person comments, Jen and Rich is going to come to the auditorium where you can give your comments then.  We took our time away from work to be on this meeting.  So I would greatly appreciate it if everybody on this meeting would be considerate of those of us who have to work during the day that are taking time out of our --
>> I've been working since 1998, lady.
>> How we have access and how we all work together.
>> How about you fix it?
>> I'm not fixing it.  I'm not part of the National Seashore.
>> The Eclipse that gave us some kind of weird intermission.  We're all here.  We all knew the Eclipse was today.  Everybody took time to watch it.
>> We know what Rich did.  Talking the clause out of the commission.  Taking the most important clause out of it.  Now, I suggested the National Park Service and the Cape Cod National Seashore Advisory Commission fix the video.
>> We're fixing that now.  I'm going to ask everyone to mute themselves and please conduct themselves in a professional manner.  We're wrapping up the in-person comments.  Which they're doing right now.  Soon as we're done with that, we'll let you guys know when Rich and Jen are back in here.  So if everyone can keep hanging tight.  They're still finishing up public comment.  We've been waiting for you guys to give your comments.  So give us a few more minutes.  Thank you.
>> Hello, I'm a member.  And I'm not hearing what's going on.  I'm a member.  I'm not hearing the comments in the room.  This is a problem.
>> It absolutely is.  We are all not hearing the comments in the room.  And regardless if we're a member or not, we joined this call for clarity and transparency to know what's going on in the National Seashore, for all of us to be member of this.  I've taken 4 hours I've my day professionally and concern how we can all have access to the National Seashore and promote this unity.  But it seems to be one-sided.  And we took a time out to see the Eclipse, which we all knew it was going to happen today, but we couldn't schedule around that?  And I'm sorry, I am being professional.  What's unprofessional is taking time out to talk behind everybody else's back around this issue.  And I'm not going to be silent.  Because the most unimportant person being silenced is someone who doesn't have a voice to speak.  We all deserve time to speak.
>> I couldn't agree more with you, but as a member, if I can't hear what's going on either, I'm not going to be able to help you all.  So I'm going to try to get back into the room and see if there's anything I can do to help you guys.
>> Thank you.  Because I'm not getting paid for 4 hours of my day to sit and listen through everything for one piece that concerns me and the group that I'm representing here.
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>> Hi, everyone.  We just moved the Commissioners to another room where we can hear each other.  We know some people have questions.  So --
>> If you can raise your hand and Rich can call them?
>> Some of them have their hands raised already.
>> I'm a member.  I can't hear the public comments.  This is a problem.
>> So first of all, can people on the Zoom hear me talking right now?
>> Yes, we can.
>> So this is Rich.  My apologies.  We were doing well until I had to -- I adjourned our meeting here so people can watch the Eclipse.  In the interim, we lost the original Zoom.  Our technicians got us back in pretty good shape.  At least you can hear me.  The superintendent, Jennifer Flynn and I are here.  We have 2 or 3 other member of the commission.  Sheila Lyons is here.  And David.  And we've got almost the entire commission is in this room.  We've transferred into the big auditorium.  So little bit scattered, but we're here.  And we've just turned a number of people's comment on the dune shack issue which few people are interested in and gave us a really nice presentation.  Fella named Richard rider spoke about it.  So we've had another before, and you may have heard some of that.  Just before we broke and lost communication with you guys, we had 3 people from the public all speak well about that and we really needed to make sure this is a top priority issues as you are in agreement of.  So let me go to people who were patient.  Again, apologies for our technical problems.  But has their hand up and wants to speak?
>> Gail.
>> Hold on.  So we're going to go in order.  We have Josh Yeston who is going to speak.
>> Thank you very much.  My name is Josh Yeston, and I'm wondering if the board would consider as a future agenda topic to provide overview and rights and restrictions private land owners of land use restriction and vegetation and there are a lot of myths and what we can and cannot do and it would be a public benefit for everyone to have a topic.  As an example, few years ago, I removed large amount of dead vegetation and cut back trees and there was a tremendous amount of confusion to what was the process of notifying the park and working with the park.  As a output, if we can put a clear document on what the owner's rights and restrictions are would be helpful.
>> RICH DELANEY:  I think that's an excellent suggestion and it dovetails with one of our topics we heard about compatibility of town zoning, with town zoning, land management issues, and number of park issues.  And we have a lot of communication and public education.  And your suggestion fits in beautifully.  And I think the superintendent is nodding her head.  We'll try to make that part of our priority topic.  So, thank you.
>> Appreciate it.  Thank you.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Which hand is up?
>> Okay, Rich, you look old.
>> RICH DELANEY:  Well, you look young as can be.
>> I don't know why, since I've been doing this since 1988 and attending all these meetings since.  Okay, superintendent, hi.  You're the only superintendent since Olson that I never called before they came to tell them what to expect.  And to urge them to become part of the community, particularly in Provincetown.  He used to go to the beach with new people.  We had a chance when Maria was married and Tony blew it.  And brief me, I'm not going to let him forget it and I haven't.
Okay.  Rich, please tell the press that I will be glad to provide them with a copy of the clause that was deleted from the charter that Senator Markey gave the park service that it demanded be deleted.  I will provide the press or anyone who wants one with the copy of the process that was deleted.  Now, the advisory commission was insistent about the citizens of Cape Cod.  Assuring that Federal Government would not abuse the people and my main comments are to the state representatives on the advisory commission.  You have the power to help the dune dwellers to make sure Janet Armstrong is given her dune shack, that her father worked on which is an amazing piece of work.  You have the power to make sure, because you have the covenants of the State of Massachusetts deed in 1962.  And the covenants ensure the airport that dump transfer station site and now, they're guaranteed the airport is guaranteed in the legislation in 1961 and 1962 covenants of State of Massachusetts giving the transference land.  You have the right to take it back, and you get to, and you get Sara.  And you get them to do what needs to be done for the dune dwellers.  And you do what needs to be done.  There is no lease that needs to be signed for the airport.  It's guaranteed already.  Let them change the legislation in Congress if the FAA wants a lease.  Let them change the legislation.  Let them change the state deed and the covenants that are very clear that the people and State of Massachusetts can take back the province land and unless they start cooperating.  Now, you know the Federal Government, they don't need to speak to the town, they don't need to speak to the state.  Now, you have the power to do something.  You have the power to change and reform the National Park Service.  And you need to do it now, because the people have been abused.  And meanwhile, I can't wait to talk to you, superintendent.  And hi, Leslie.  And listen to Mary Jo.  And do something about that airport.  There's no reason to sign a lease.  You tell Gail in the regional office for dune check or 10 years after, because things are going to change.  Things are going to change.  In 1989, I was on TV with Grace Besay who I did the press for.  I said our grandchildren will have to be fighting our fight and now it's our great, great children fighting this fight.  And the Federal Government has got to reform.  It is time.  And meanwhile, superintendent Flynn, where is the new uniform?  Talk to Leslie.  I'm really serious.  This is a national Cape Cod Seashore and you need new uniforms.
>> Thank you, Gail.  Very eloquent and enforceful as always.  Thank you.  We're going to go to Tallila next.
>> Hi.  This is Tallila Schuster and it's unfortunately that I missed what the 3 in person speaker said about the shacks.  And I certainly don't want to repeat anything.  But my main concern is just getting the shack on the agenda.  And it seems like that has happened.  So, hopefully, we'll get to talk about it after leases are signed, which has been told it has to be end of April, except for Lori Schecter.
>> And I just want to remind folks this is a recorded meeting and has been recorded throughout.  So if you want to go back and watch what the 5 or 10 minutes you missed, that will be part of the report. Okay, Talilla if you want to go back once we finish.  So next person who I think wants to speak is, I can't tell.  Is that it?
>> Umm-hmm.  Yep.
>> Okay.  All right.  Well, thank you, again.  Apologies for the disruption.  I think the Eclipse was pretty amazing but didn't get dark.  I was waiting for it to get dark here.  And the birds to stop chirping.  And the dogs to go to sleep.  Lay down and go to sleep, but nothing happened.  So big deal.  All right.  Thanks, Gail.  Thanks to everyone.  Talk to you soon.