Jack: And here's some of the shoeing equipment. . .
BH: And they would have had to have brought that with them too, I would think. Wouldn't they? Or could they have gotten that later?
Jack: I'm sorry?
BH: Do you think they brought this with them when they came from Missouri?
Jack: Oh, I. . . no, I doubt it. I doubt it. Now. . . there here. . . no, that's an old one. This was devised up there—this was a measuring wheel. And there's a hay—saw. But these are all tools that they could have brought. The only thing. . . here. . . now here's one that they might have brought with them, and that's a harebell. That's used to scrape. . . when you butcher pigs, and you drop 'em in hot water, then this is. . . is a scraper to scrape the hair off. Um. . . ah. . . see that spring?
BH: Um hum.
Jack: That's possibly off of the buggy that I showed you the (?) of.
BH: Ahhhh. . .
Jack: And then these are later harnesses. As far as the. . . the anvil is concerned, I know that they. . . they probably brought that with them, but I don't think they brought it from the old country. And then ah. . . here is a. . . now this certainly could have been the wagon watch from the original wagon.
BH: Wow!
Jack: And that. . . And I wouldn't doubt that at all, cause that's the way it's made. See, what that's used for. . . do you savvy that at all?
BH: I think, but go ahead. I have an idea, but I could be wrong.
Jack: Well, I'll tell you. It's been built, because it's been used as a clevis pin to pull other stuff.
BH: Um hum.
Jack: But. . . this fits the size of the nuts and the wheels, and the idea is. . . periodically, the way they were made then, you had to take 'em off, pull the wheels, and grease him, after x number of miles, and then put 'em back on, and then they'd start again. Now this was always handy, in one respect, but was stupid in another. Because, on the front of the wagon, is what they call. . . the front pedal was called the fifth wheel. . .
BH: Um hum.
Jack: And it comes out to where there's a. . . a metal clasp, I don't know what it's called. It comes up to hold the doubletree to which you hook two horses to. And this pins the doubletree to the wagon. And that's like a trailer pin that you see.
BH: Um hum.
Jack: And. . . I. . . it's handy if you need to tighten the nuts up, or do any work on the hubs. But if you have your wagon hitched up, it's not very handy cause you turn your animals loose. I always thought that was kind of stupid, but that's the way they were all made. Now the one that's in there. . . where was it?
BH: I know it's here somewhere.
Jack: Well, somewhere in there is one. . . that was my mother's old machine, and they wanted it down there. It was one of the first electric machines—she got it in Canon City.
Marie: You haven't found it, did you?
Jack: That was a drill press they had, and the. . . the vice. Later forged. The first forge was ah. . . leather billows. Ah. . . well where in the devil is that? Oh, here it is. That wrench could well have been on this buggy.
BH: And you think this one is from the original wagon?
Jack: This is one is the big one. This is from. . . probably the main wagon—the heavy wagon.
BH: Did your mother ever mention—surely they would have had to have brought dishes, or something like. . .
Jack: Did they ever mention what?
BH: Dishes? Did they bring any. . . any kind of —other than those Dutch ovens—did they bring anything for the inside of the house?
Jack: Well. . . the one thing that they brought with them was a huge quilt. And that's at Adams State. And it was. . . it was made in France, according to my mother, and it was. . . it was what you would call today a. . . in my opinion, would be comparable to a queen-sized bed, because it was big.