Glen: He also had real good horses. Blooded horses, and ah. . .
BH: I'd heard that. I also head that he rode a mule, though, most of the time.
Glen: Well, most of those old—timers did. Uh, George White, that ran cattle on what I call the George Ziegler place—which is the ah. . . ah. . . first place where you come out from the stream and there's a little log house there, I think still. Remains of a little log house. Uh, he always rode a mule, and his ranch was actually on the other side—and he would bring the cattle across on the sand at the very upper end.
BH: Wow.
Glen: Ah. . . but he rode mules. And those old mules would just pussy—foot across that sand like nobody's business.
BH: Do you have any idea why Ulus started riding mules to start with?
Glen: Ah. . . no, I don't have. I don't have a clue, because I know that he had good horses. He was. . . and you know. . . his. . . a lot of people don't realize it, but a lot of Ulus's trips, for groceries and things like that, were not into Blanca—they were into Canon City.
BH: He went clear to Canon for groceries?
Glen: It's not that far if you go across Medano Pass.
BH: Huh. Wow. And he would ride his mules up for groceries?
Glen: I don't know about mules or. . . he'd have to. . . well, that's before we had automobiles.